I am researching WEB Application servers with the goal to select one for a project. I have read much on Zope online and would like to get my feet wet but I see no online docs/tutorial for a complete Zope newbie. I see there is a book, but I only want to get my feet wet to see how it works in practice. But I don't even know how to log into Zope after installing it. Dan
Hi Dan, One of the neat things about Zope is that it comes with an excellent tutorial built in. Install Zope, and it will start you off with a "QuickStart" screen that will give a quick overview of Zope concepts. There is also a "ZopeTutorial" object you can construct and step through. The ZopeTutorial is quite good, and helped me understand a lot of techniques that I'd never bothered learning before. Also, The Zope Book is available online as a link from the Documentation section of the zope.org site. You can use the online version of the book while getting your feet wet, and then buy it as a "away-from-computer" reference. Have fun with Zope! It seemed overwhelming and complex to me at first, but now I'm using it to add stuff to my site which would have been too awkward with CGI or some of the other Web application platforms. Good luck, Brian Wisti brian@coolnamehere.com On 2 Feb 2002 at 10:44, das@wi.rr.NOESPAM.com wrote:
I am researching WEB Application servers with the goal to select one for a project. I have read much on Zope online and would like to get my feet wet but I see no online docs/tutorial for a complete Zope newbie. I see there is a book, but I only want to get my feet wet to see how it works in practice. But I don't even know how to log into Zope after installing it.
Dan -- Brian Wisti brian@coolnamehere.com http://www.coolnamehere.com/
But I don't know how access Zope (running on WinME). I started the START.BAT which starts a script called z2.py in a DOS window. I assume Zope is running at this point, but what do I point my browser to? Dan brian@coolnamehere.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
One of the neat things about Zope is that it comes with an excellent tutorial built in. Install Zope, and it will start you off with a "QuickStart" screen that will give a quick overview of Zope concepts. There is also a "ZopeTutorial" object you can construct and step through. The ZopeTutorial is quite good, and helped me understand a lot of techniques that I'd never bothered learning before.
Also, The Zope Book is available online as a link from the Documentation section of the zope.org site. You can use the online version of the book while getting your feet wet, and then buy it as a "away-from-computer" reference.
Have fun with Zope! It seemed overwhelming and complex to me at first, but now I'm using it to add stuff to my site which would have been too awkward with CGI or some of the other Web application platforms.
Good luck, Brian Wisti brian@coolnamehere.com
On 2 Feb 2002 at 10:44, das@wi.rr.NOESPAM.com wrote:
I am researching WEB Application servers with the goal to select one for a project. I have read much on Zope online and would like to get my feet wet but I see no online docs/tutorial for a complete Zope newbie. I see there is a book, but I only want to get my feet wet to see how it works in practice. But I don't even know how to log into Zope after installing it.
Dan -- Brian Wisti brian@coolnamehere.com http://www.coolnamehere.com/
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Please disregard. I found the link to the online Zope book and my question was answered in Chap 2. Thanks for pointing out that the book is accessible online. Dan das@wi.rr.NOESPAM.com wrote:
But I don't know how access Zope (running on WinME). I started the START.BAT which starts a script called z2.py in a DOS window. I assume Zope is running at this point, but what do I point my browser to?
Dan
brian@coolnamehere.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
One of the neat things about Zope is that it comes with an excellent tutorial built in. Install Zope, and it will start you off with a "QuickStart" screen that will give a quick overview of Zope concepts. There is also a "ZopeTutorial" object you can construct and step through. The ZopeTutorial is quite good, and helped me understand a lot of techniques that I'd never bothered learning before.
Also, The Zope Book is available online as a link from the Documentation section of the zope.org site. You can use the online version of the book while getting your feet wet, and then buy it as a "away-from-computer" reference.
Have fun with Zope! It seemed overwhelming and complex to me at first, but now I'm using it to add stuff to my site which would have been too awkward with CGI or some of the other Web application platforms.
Good luck, Brian Wisti brian@coolnamehere.com
On 2 Feb 2002 at 10:44, das@wi.rr.NOESPAM.com wrote:
I am researching WEB Application servers with the goal to select one for a project. I have read much on Zope online and would like to get my feet wet but I see no online docs/tutorial for a complete Zope newbie. I see there is a book, but I only want to get my feet wet to see how it works in practice. But I don't even know how to log into Zope after installing it.
Dan -- Brian Wisti brian@coolnamehere.com http://www.coolnamehere.com/
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What are the best WYSIWYG HTML Editors to use with Zope? I have read the primary feature is not to touch the XML tal tags that would be embedded in the HTML. We currently use ColdFusion, but have no idea how this editor works with Zope page templates. Instead of reinventing the wheel I would like other hard-earned opinions. Thx
I use Dreamweaver 4. It's the best WYSIWYG HTML editor hands down, and it supports WEBDAV and doesn't barf on your DTML tags so page updates are cake. Rick
What are the best WYSIWYG HTML Editors to use with Zope? I have read the primary feature is not to touch the XML tal tags that would be embedded in the HTML. We currently use ColdFusion, but have no idea how this editor works with Zope page templates. Instead of reinventing the wheel I would like other hard-earned opinions.
Thx
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"D. Rick Anderson" wrote:
I use Dreamweaver 4. It's the best WYSIWYG HTML editor hands down, and it supports WEBDAV and doesn't barf on your DTML tags so page updates are cake.
Can you use WebDAV without having to do the crappy upload site / download site thing? I'm currently using Dreamweaver 3 into Zope via Webdrive although I'm considering upgrading to Dreamweaver 4 UltraDev... cheers, Chris PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
I keep meaning to try out: http://www.zope.org/Members/comlounge/davfs_howto seb
seb bacon wrote:
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
I keep meaning to try out:
Bah! This is on windows, remember, I am a "bad person" :-) Chris PS: Webdrive does this, just that EMACS and Webdrive have an issue with Python Scripts. For some reaons, when I open them, I usually only get about half the body. However, if I open them in any other editor, I get the whole thing. Weirdest of all, if I open one in anotehr editor, and then open it in EMACS, it works fine :-S
On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 11:07, Chris Withers wrote:
seb bacon wrote:
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
I keep meaning to try out:
Bah! This is on windows, remember, I am a "bad person" :-)
Chris
PS: Webdrive does this, just that EMACS and Webdrive have an issue with Python Scripts. For some reaons, when I open them, I usually only get about half the body. However, if I open them in any other editor, I get the whole thing. Weirdest of all, if I open one in anotehr editor, and then open it in EMACS, it works fine :-S
Hmm.. file locks? backup files? seb
Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
William Perry, who wrote the w3 browser, sent me some alpha code that makes Emacs talk WebDAV natively but I have not really tried it in anger yet. It should be fairly easy to get Emacs to use cadaver to read and write files. But what functionality would it bring you over ftp? Locking? Would it also give you access to an objects properties? I thought they have not been mapped to WebDAV properties. Am I correct? --- Alastair
Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.de> writes:
Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
William Perry, who wrote the w3 browser, sent me some alpha code that makes Emacs talk WebDAV natively but I have not really tried it in anger yet.
It should be fairly easy to get Emacs to use cadaver to read and write files. But what functionality would it bring you over ftp? Locking?
Would it also give you access to an objects properties? I thought they have not been mapped to WebDAV properties. Am I correct?
Exactly. I can already edit my Zope objects in place with Emacs. I miss out on locking, I suppose, but that hasn't been much of a problem so far. I especially like being able to edit Pythonscripts in python-mode, ZSQL methods in sql-mode, DTML methods in dtml-mode, and Page Templates in xml-mode. Of course, I am not much of a "designer" so maybe I am missing the boat with WYSIWYG editors. Jason
Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.de> writes:
Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
William Perry, who wrote the w3 browser, sent me some alpha code that makes Emacs talk WebDAV natively but I have not really tried it in anger yet.
It should be fairly easy to get Emacs to use cadaver to read and write files. But what functionality would it bring you over ftp? Locking?
Well, for one, it would simplify security... WebDav happens on a single port, so is easier to allow through firewalls and to tunnel when necessary. Also, although I'm not sure about this, it seems as though WebDav might be able to play well with Version objects better than FTP. It'd be nice to be able to use Emacs to edit within a version. There is a VersionFTPServer hack, and a clever one at that, but you have to set up a different port for each version that you want to expose, and it hasn't been updated since Zope 2.2. -r
xml-rpc would be nice also :) ra@burningman.com wrote:
Alastair Burt <burt@dfki.de> writes:
Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com> writes:
PS: Anyone done a WebDAV thingy for EMACS yet?
William Perry, who wrote the w3 browser, sent me some alpha code that makes Emacs talk WebDAV natively but I have not really tried it in anger yet.
It should be fairly easy to get Emacs to use cadaver to read and write files. But what functionality would it bring you over ftp? Locking?
Well, for one, it would simplify security... WebDav happens on a single port, so is easier to allow through firewalls and to tunnel when necessary.
Also, although I'm not sure about this, it seems as though WebDav might be able to play well with Version objects better than FTP. It'd be nice to be able to use Emacs to edit within a version. There is a VersionFTPServer hack, and a clever one at that, but you have to set up a different port for each version that you want to expose, and it hasn't been updated since Zope 2.2.
-r
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Chris Humphries <chumphries@devis.com> writes:
xml-rpc would be nice also :)
Done that - http://www.zope.org/Members/alburt/xmlrpc.el --- Alastair
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seb bacon