Frankly, I don't see how a light-weight workflow system like that is really all that Zope-like. It provides, AFAIK, no development environment, no object-database, no access to heterogeneous external data, no content-repository. It provides a "file-server-based approach," which of course means all this product does is workflow and file versioning! If anything, whatever sitespring is, it likely competes with the various content management products for Zope and not Zope itself. And those products provide workflow - however, they also allow you to create custom types of objects, something I am pretty sure you can't easily do in sitespring... My guess is in order to get something like SiteSpring to work with similar functionality, you have to buy CF server, 3 zillion copies of Dreamweaver Ultradev, and every other Macromedia product in existence and you would still only be about 1/3 of the way... Any .com production departments for companies big enough to need something like SiteSpring would be better off using a CMS with a content repository, or use a source-code versioning system instead of a static-file based production management system. Sean -----Original Message----- From: Mario Valente [mailto:mvalente@ruido-visual.pt] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:18 AM To: Zope Subject: [Zope] Macromedia SiteSpring Hi: Just a quick heads up so that you all are aware of a possible Zope competitor or, if you take a opposing view, to be aware of someone blatantly copying Zope ;-) Macromedia has launched its SiteSpring product which allows you to collaborate, manage and communicate when doing web projects. The site is at http://www.macromedia.com/software/sitespring/ and, if you watch the Quicktime movie or install the demo, even the goddam menus are Zope-alike. Emulation aside, it does raise some issues, namely on the workflow/communicate functionalities. How is Zope going to cope ? Do we have products available that bring Zope up to the same level ? C U! -- Mario Valente _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
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Frankly, I don't see how a light-weight workflow system like that is really all that Zope-like. It provides, AFAIK, no development environment, no object-database, no access to heterogeneous external data, no content-repository. It provides a "file-server-based approach," which of course means all this product does is workflow and file versioning!
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Any .com production departments for companies big enough to need something like SiteSpring would be better off using a CMS with a content repository, or use a source-code versioning system instead of a static-file based production management system.
Actually, I saw that they have an extensive versioning system that supposedly operates transparently to the users, and automatically covers any document going into the system of whatever type. They tout that as one of the strengths of their system. Cheers, Tom P
At 08:25 20-07-2001 -0700, sean.upton@uniontrib.com wrote:
Frankly, I don't see how a light-weight workflow system like that is really all that Zope-like. It provides, AFAIK, no development environment,
No, that is provided by their other products. DreamWeaver, ColdFusion....
no object-database,
Cold Fusion interfaces to several relational databases. No OO though, for sure.
no access to heterogeneous external data,
Cold Fusion does this. SiteSpring is an interface to that.
no content-repository. It provides a "file-server-based approach," which of course means all this product does is workflow and file versioning!
Probably. But the workflow features sure are nice. Like they say "SiteSpring provides communication, collaboration and management". I'm more than aware that Zope already gives us collaboration (partly) and management. But its weak on "communication" and "collaboration" when viewed in terms of workflow.
If anything, whatever sitespring is, it likely competes with the various content management products for Zope and not Zope itself.
I think you're wrong. SiteSpring + ColdFusion is the Zope competitor. If you add to that Dreamweaver, you've got the whole web production covered nicely. And Zope is still lacking in terms of workflow and in terms of web site frontend design and layout. I'm rooting for TAL/TALES, working with XML/XSL and hoping for a better editor (Boa, Dreamweaver or GoLive integration, etc).
My guess is in order to get something like SiteSpring to work with similar functionality, you have to buy CF server, 3 zillion copies of Dreamweaver Ultradev, and every other Macromedia product in existence and you would still only be about 1/3 of the way...
:-) Yeah, point taken. C U! -- Mario Valente
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