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So? This doesn't mean you can't make it look nice anyway. Check out http://www.ekit.com/ - it looks fine under links, under NS4, IE4, IE5, NS6, ... It's not that hard to make a site that renders fine under text mode browsers...

As does microsoft.com, funnily enough ;-)

In my experience, the trick is using very little table tag magic, spacer GIFs, etc. and put most of the formatting into style sheets. So the (simple) table layout will look good under Lynx/w3m, and the style sheets will do the magic for the "high-end" browser. If there wasn't Netscape 4.x to consider, we could get completely rid of using all the tables and transparent GIFs. But there are surprisingly many people who still use that beast, even on Windows machines ... (and it will not display ANY stylesheet stuff on Linux if you switch off Javascript). Joachim

on or about, Monday, October 15, 2001, we have reason to believe that Toby Dickenson wrote something along the lines of : TD> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:22:43 +0200, "Joachim Werner" TD> <joe@iuveno-net.de> wrote: TD> Can anyone recommend an example site that uses css for layout to good TD> effect? http://community.anarchy-online.com built with Zope , ZPT , and CSS only for layout.. No tables , no spacer-gifs.. Almost purely structural HTML. No backwards compatibility towards broken 4.0 browsers, but should be really neat in Lynx (read:spiders).. - see also the story section on same site.. http://community.anarchy-online.com/content/story/main/ same layout , with some css tweaks -- Geir Bækholt web-developer geirh@funcom.com funcom oslo | webdev-team

on or about, Monday, October 15, 2001, we have reason to believe that Joachim Schmitz wrote something along the lines of : JS> Hi, JS> this looks great, can you post the stylesheets. As with all websites , the source is a good place to start for such things.

;-) here are the default ones: <link rel="stylesheet" href="/globalCSS/basic.css" type="text/css" /> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/globalCSS/forms.css" type="text/css" /> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/globalCSS/layout.css" type="text/css" />

the story bit has this one in addition , overriding some bits to tweak the looks : <style type="text/css"> @import "http://community.anarchy-online.com/content/story/local.css"; </style> -- Geir Bækholt web-developer geirh@funcom.com funcom oslo | webdev-team