More news, and this looks bad, though I'm happy to have a work-around The ReportForm doc was owned by a user in LoginManager (has roles manager, etc) I was able to Take Ownership as a user in the root acl_users (user folder) and I no longer get the NameError. So .. there's something wrong in that it appears that DTML Documents owned by a LoginManager object don't seem to completely acquire objects from above.. However I'd expect an attributeError, not a NameError, so some of the acquisition machinery works, but something is broken. Does anyone from DC or ZPatterns folks want to play with my site to figure this out? Brad Clements, bkc@murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax netmeeting: ils://ils.murkworks.com AOL-IM: BKClements