Hello, I am working on this media streaming web application and I thought it would be a lot easier to use Zope building it, than just ordinary PHP scripts. But I guess I was wrong .. :-) How on earth do you get PHP code into Zope ?? Regards, -- ************************ Gitte Wange Jensen System Squid Developer MMManager Aps +45 29 72 79 72 gitte@mmmanager.org ************************
Hi Gitte, streaming? This is not easy implemented. I heard DC is about it for some projects. Anyway if you know what you want to implement and how it works, you can do so with python and dtml in zope. Regards Tino Gitte Wange wrote:
Hello, I am working on this media streaming web application and I thought it would be a lot easier to use Zope building it, than just ordinary PHP scripts. But I guess I was wrong .. :-)
How on earth do you get PHP code into Zope ??
Regards,
-- ************************ Gitte Wange Jensen
System Squid Developer MMManager Aps +45 29 72 79 72
gitte@mmmanager.org ************************
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Well I'm streaming with a RealServer as backend. So you just create some links pointing to your mediafiles in your realserver. Shouldn't be a big problem On 27 Mar 2001 16:27:39 +0200, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Hi Gitte,
streaming? This is not easy implemented. I heard DC is about it for some projects. Anyway if you know what you want to implement and how it works, you can do so with python and dtml in zope.
Regards Tino
Gitte Wange wrote:
Hello, I am working on this media streaming web application and I thought it would be a lot easier to use Zope building it, than just ordinary PHP scripts. But I guess I was wrong .. :-)
How on earth do you get PHP code into Zope ??
Regards,
-- ************************ Gitte Wange Jensen
System Squid Developer MMManager Aps +45 29 72 79 72
gitte@mmmanager.org ************************
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I've built something like that with Jonothan Farr's LocalFS product. After uploading the .ra/.rm file to the LocalFS via and http upload form, I create a corresponfing metafile (.ram) containing a reference to said realfile and -server (pnm://....) with the correct mime-type. I can post the code of my external method if you like .. --Oliver
Well I'm streaming with a RealServer as backend. So you just create some links pointing to your mediafiles in your realserver. Shouldn't be a big problem
Just as we have Script (Python) and Script (Perl) we should have Script (PHP) as a standard Zope object. One of the main goals of having Perl Scripts was to make Zope more attractive to Perl hackers, right? I believe supporting PHP syntax and functions within Zope would attract even more web developers to our platform. I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger. And while we are at it, why not evaluate the possibility of integrating JavaScript and VBscript? Maybe we should have a poll: Which language would you like to see in Zope after Python and Perl? Best regards, Luciano
Hi Luciano, Luciano Ramalho wrote:
Just as we have Script (Python) and Script (Perl) we should have Script (PHP) as a standard Zope object.
One of the main goals of having Perl Scripts was to make Zope more attractive to Perl hackers, right? I believe supporting PHP syntax and functions within Zope would attract even more web developers to our platform.
Even more developers who are unable to lern how zope works and how to use its special strengths. If its a good developer, (s)he would lern python very quickly. The same time learning how a zope site is to be planned. If not... these people are usually the first who do it the wrong way and complaining how bad zope works...
I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger.
And while we are at it, why not evaluate the possibility of integrating JavaScript and VBscript? Maybe we should have a poll: Which language would you like to see in Zope after Python and Perl?
Write a parser and start ;) How about a meta language? ;)) Regards Tino
http://www.zope.org/Members/Mamey/PHP http://www.zope.org/Members/Ioan/PHPObject http://www.zope.org/Members/billw/morePHP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luciano Ramalho" <luciano@hiper.com.br> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: [Zope] PHP as a scripting language for Zope
Just as we have Script (Python) and Script (Perl) we should have Script (PHP) as a standard Zope object.
One of the main goals of having Perl Scripts was to make Zope more attractive to Perl hackers, right? I believe supporting PHP syntax and functions within Zope would attract even more web developers to our platform.
I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger.
And while we are at it, why not evaluate the possibility of integrating JavaScript and VBscript? Maybe we should have a poll: Which language would you like to see in Zope after Python and Perl?
Best regards,
Luciano
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Ooops... maybe I should have done my homework before sending this... Best regards, Luciano Chris McDonough wrote:
http://www.zope.org/Members/Mamey/PHP http://www.zope.org/Members/Ioan/PHPObject http://www.zope.org/Members/billw/morePHP
----- Original Message ----- From: "Luciano Ramalho" <luciano@hiper.com.br> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: [Zope] PHP as a scripting language for Zope
Just as we have Script (Python) and Script (Perl) we should have Script (PHP) as a standard Zope object.
One of the main goals of having Perl Scripts was to make Zope more attractive to Perl hackers, right? I believe supporting PHP syntax and functions within Zope would attract even more web developers to our platform.
I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger.
And while we are at it, why not evaluate the possibility of integrating JavaScript and VBscript? Maybe we should have a poll: Which language would you like to see in Zope after Python and Perl?
Best regards,
Luciano
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I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger.
Sure it would, but I think there are more important things than adding the kitchen sink into Zope. Cheers. -- Andy McKay.
On 27 Mar 2001 09:28:02 -0800, Andy McKay wrote:
I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger.
Sure it would, but I think there are more important things than adding the kitchen sink into Zope.
Cheers. -- Andy McKay.
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Well I am making this really complex mediastreaming system, and thought that Zope could help me with my problems about user privileges. So I thought: I'll make the application in PHP and then I just run the scripts through Zope. Then my application will be very strong, and I won't have to make my own apllication for handling users. Guess I was very very wrong. I has taken me all day to set up Zope with MySQL and it is still not working. Then I tried to run some PHP scripts in Zope - but no. That isn't possible. Maybe it takes some time to add PHP scripts to python. But then Zope will really become serious Regards, -- ************************ Gitte Wange Jensen System Squid Developer MMManager Aps +45 29 72 79 72 gitte@mmmanager.org ************************
Maybe it takes some time to add PHP scripts to python. But then Zope will really become serious
Will it? As great as PHP is, would this make Zope the killer app? Cheers. -- Andy McKay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gitte Wange" <gitte@mmmanager.org> To: "Andy McKay" <andym@activestate.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] PHP as a scripting language for Zope
On 27 Mar 2001 09:28:02 -0800, Andy McKay wrote:
I wearing my marketing hat as I write this. I love Python, and would not profit immediately from either Perl or PHP support within Zope. But it is pretty clear to me that this would make our platform even stronger.
Sure it would, but I think there are more important things than adding the kitchen sink into Zope.
Cheers. -- Andy McKay.
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Well I am making this really complex mediastreaming system, and thought that Zope could help me with my problems about user privileges. So I thought: I'll make the application in PHP and then I just run the scripts through Zope. Then my application will be very strong, and I won't have to make my own apllication for handling users. Guess I was very very wrong.
I has taken me all day to set up Zope with MySQL and it is still not working. Then I tried to run some PHP scripts in Zope - but no. That isn't possible.
Maybe it takes some time to add PHP scripts to python. But then Zope will really become serious
Regards,
-- ************************ Gitte Wange Jensen
System Squid Developer MMManager Aps +45 29 72 79 72
gitte@mmmanager.org ************************
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On 27 Mar 2001 13:30:08 -0300, Luciano Ramalho wrote:
Just as we have Script (Python) and Script (Perl) we should have Script (PHP) as a standard Zope object.
And while we are at it, why not evaluate the possibility of integrating JavaScript and VBscript?
Because those are CLIENT-side, not server side. Because many of us have browsers that do not use that atrocity known as vbscript, and javascript tends to be rather difficult/time consuming to write in a cross-platform way. We have enough to work on already without adding that stuff. Bill
Bill Anderson wrote:
And while we are at it, why not evaluate the possibility of integrating JavaScript and VBscript?
Because those are CLIENT-side, not server side. Because many of us have browsers that do not use that atrocity known as vbscript, and javascript tends to be rather difficult/time consuming to write in a cross-platform way.
I am afraid you are mistaken. JavaScript and VBscript are both used extensively as server side scripting languages. MS ASP and Netscape Livewire both use JavaScript (aka. JScript and ECMAscript) on the server. And most ASP programming is done in VBscript. Of course, they are also client-side scripting languages, but this fact is irrelevant to our discussion.
We have enough to work on already without adding that stuff.
I agree there are other priorities. But PerlScripts were done anyway, and from a marketing perspective, I believe PHPScripts and JavaScriptScripts would be more effective. Of course, PerlScripts were made possible by the contribution of ActiveState, a company uniquely qualified to do the necessary Perl-Python integration. But as Chris McDonough of DC just pointed out to me, there are already a few people in the Zope community working towards supporting PHP in Zope: http://www.zope.org/Members/Mamey/PHP http://www.zope.org/Members/Ioan/PHPObject http://www.zope.org/Members/billw/morePHP Best regards, Luciano Ramalho
I agree there are other priorities. But PerlScripts were done anyway, and from a marketing perspective, I believe PHPScripts and JavaScriptScripts would be more effective.
Luciano, We all eagerly await these products of yours, please let us know where we can download them from :-) I love open source... Chris PS: I'd also love to see some stats on the number of Serverside Perl vs JavaScripts vs VBScripts users and programmers ;-)
Chris Withers wrote:
We all eagerly await these products of yours, please let us know where we can download them from :-)
I love open source...
We also love open source, and we contribute to Zope as much as we can. Our first development contribution to Zope was HiperDOM, an experimental DOM-based template system which was recognized by DC as a key motivator in the development of the new Presentation Templates. We have ceased further development of HiperDOM after DC announced ZPT, but you can download what we did at Zope.org. Now we are focusing our best development efforts on ZUnit, a XUnit-like testing framework to support Extreme Programming in Zope. We intend to post a new version shortly at Zope.org, but an early draft has been available for a while now. The new version will allow the creation of test suites within the Zope Management Interface. However, I believe our greatest contribution so far has been to increase the mindshare of Zope in Brazil, the 8th largest IT market in the World, and one even more dominated by Microsoft than the US domestic market. We have been the loudest Zope evangelists in our country since early 1999. We have installed Zope in AOL's Brazilian web site, on IDG's local news site and in many other sites belonging to important local brands. We've also trained more than 50 developers in Zope, including software engineers from the Brazilian Federal Senate and from Conectiva, the company behind the most popular Linux distribution in our country. And we are very active at the Portuguese-speaking Zope list. We are proudly sponsoring Paul Everitt as a Key-note speaker in the next edition of Linux Expo next May in São Paulo, and are organizing a Zope and Python track with three talks and one tutorial in that show. As for PHP and other languages, we would not use them ourselves, as we are very satisfied with Python, like I said earlier. I was just expressing my feeling that such support could be useful in popularizing Zope, and I never intended to start even a small flame war. But I guess programming languages is always an inflammable topic... My apologies to everyone. This is a great community, and as much as we can, and in spite of misunderstandings and language barriers, we love to be an active part of it! Best regards, Luciano Ramalho
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