In the spirit of sharing knowledge rather than just asking questions... : ) I thought I would pass along what APPEARS to be the solution to my problem of Zope dying . After reading the "Gotchas for Zope Beginners" HowTo: http://www.zope.org/Members/jens/docs/newbie_caveats it sounded like this paragraph applied: "If you cannot log out after starting Zope using the "start" script in the Zope install directory without bringing down Zope you might want to edit the start script and remove the "-D" option in it. "-D" stands for debug, the process won't automatically detach from the terminal it was started on when -D is specified." This sounded like what I was experiencing. As long as I left the terminal window open, it seemed to run find, but if I closed the connection or tried running another command it would quit. So I took a look at the Start script and it was indeed setting the "-D" option in the last line of the script. I removed the last line, restarted Zope and it has been up since. This leads me to believe that my 2.5.1b1 problem may have been the same thing. I may reinstall it just to see. But I will stick with 2.3.3 as my "production Zope server" for now because I MUST use the Virtual Host Monster and the #Zope IRC channel tells me that VHM has some problems with 2.5 . Darren Addy Web Specialist Information Technology Services University of Nebraska at Kearney