OSES project - should it run under Zope?
Hi all, I was off this list for the last half year or so, so I'm in for some catching up :-). In the meantime, a couple of quick questions: I'm starting up a new project, Open Source Educational Software (www.oses.org for more details). Basically, I want to get people from various disciplines (teachers, pedagogues, graphics artists, programmers) together to work on classroom-software. The site must be highly collaborative, and friendly to non-technical users. Software will be mostly written in Java, so it can run on any box with a browser. Q1: is Zope the best environment to do this on? On the collaboration part, Zope's user features are great, and Confera is ok as well, but other things are lacking (chat, public file repositories, interfaces to CVS maybe, talkback areas at the bottom of most pages, etcetera). Q2: call me crazy, but I think that WikiWikiWeb is a great collaboration tool (http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki). There is a Python version, but I'd like to have this running inside Zope so you can apply Zope's management features to it. I talked to the author, he's interested, but maybe this alread has been done? Q3: if the answer on Q1 is "yes", are there any Zope gurus out there who want to help me on structuring the site, maybe writing some of the utilities that are missing? One of the reasons for picking Zope is that I'm considering making the add-ons for collaboration available as part of the project, so that schools can run Zope (Zope fits the OSES requirements for platform independence, that's a very big benefit). Q4: (this should be an easy one - maybe I've missed a FAQ somewhere?) What's the easiest way to have "last modified ... by ..." on the bottom of each page? Thanks in advance, Cees -- Cees de Groot http://www.cdegroot.com <cg@cdegroot.com>
One question I forgot: Q5: should I start development on the new 2.0 stuff? I want the site to be launched in around a month. -- Cees de Groot http://www.cdegroot.com <cg@cdegroot.com>
At 11:11 PM 7/11/99 +0200, Cees de Groot wrote:
Q2: call me crazy, but I think that WikiWikiWeb is a great collaboration
tool
(http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki). There is a Python version, but I'd like to have this running inside Zope so you can apply Zope's management features to it. I talked to the author, he's interested, but maybe this alread has been done?
I've been thinking about trying to make a WikiPage ZClass once Zope2 gets to beta or better. With ZCatalog awareness, forward and backward linking would be sublimely speedy. Not only that, but it might be possible to create some new twists on the Wiki concept, since people could create and maintain their own pages for a Topic word, and then Zope by way of ZCatalog could conglomerate them into some kind of meaningful whole. Hmmm... now you've gone and got me excited about that project again. As if I didn't have enough other things to work on already. :)
Cees de Groot wrote:
Hi all,
I was off this list for the last half year or so, so I'm in for some catching up :-). In the meantime, a couple of quick questions:
I'm starting up a new project, Open Source Educational Software (www.oses.org for more details). Basically, I want to get people from various disciplines (teachers, pedagogues, graphics artists, programmers) together to work on classroom-software. The site must be highly collaborative, and friendly to non-technical users. Software will be mostly written in Java, so it can run on any box with a browser.
Heh. I've been working for six months on something very similar (but not Java). It's called Moodle (http://moodle.com). There's not much public on the site yet, but I've been testing a prototype course with 100 students behind the scenes. When that's done and I have some results, the site will be opened up (few weeks).
Q1: is Zope the best environment to do this on? On the collaboration part, Zope's user features are great, and Confera is ok as well, but other things are lacking (chat, public file repositories, interfaces to CVS maybe, talkback areas at the bottom of most pages, etcetera).
I built these quite easily within Zope (except Chat, which is Java and C).
Q3: if the answer on Q1 is "yes", are there any Zope gurus out there who want to help me on structuring the site, maybe writing some of the utilities that are missing? One of the reasons for picking Zope is that I'm considering making the add-ons for collaboration available as part of the project, so that schools can run Zope (Zope fits the OSES requirements for platform independence, that's a very big benefit).
Well, you can join my project soon if you want. :-) ;-) Cheers, Martin -- ### Martin Dougiamas -- Internet Agent ### Centre for Educational Advancement ### http://cea.curtin.edu/staff/martin
martin@dougiamas.com said:
It's called Moodle (http://moodle.com). There's not much public on the site yet, but I've been testing a prototype course with 100 students behind the scenes. When that's done and I have some results, the site will be opened up (few weeks).
Great to see that the software will be open source so I can rip selected parts for OSES :-). -- Cees de Groot http://www.cdegroot.com <cg@cdegroot.com>
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