Gang, Don't know if I Created this problem, but... just a little FYI... I use TinyTables a bunch (bless you! :-) to drive a billion things on some web sites I'm designing, and I've been having random weird authentication problems... well, it turns out that it's related to the fact that it seems by default, Anonymous doesn't have permissions to query the TinyTables... just an FYI :-) Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli | petrilli@amber.org