RE: [Zope] - Zope for the Impatient
LD wrote:
I'm not frustrated by what I've been able to download from Zope.org, but I am really thinking that if I could just "watch over the shoulder" of some Zope guru (Jim/Amos/Brian/Paul/all/any/other) for 5 to 10 minutes... that all the gaps I keep running into would seal up for me...
First, I think what Amos wrote yesterday is the start of something really, really good. As long as we keep improving it and applying more time in that direction, I expect it to provide the foothold people need to get started. Now to your point, I think you're on to something with "recorded" tutorials, though I don't like the videotape part. I've long used Lotus ScreenCam as a backup for making presentations. It allows me to "record" a screen session with all the screen events, as well as adding audio narration and captioning. Unfortunately the files it produces are gargantuan unless you take painful (read: unacceptable) measures to reduce it. An alternative is to buy Lotus StreamCam which streams the presentation, rather than downloading a huge (e.g. 20 Mb) file. I don't mind the plunking down the money, but ScreenCam is a finicky product. It can get the audio and video out of sync, it is a Windows-only solution, it talks directly to the display (in some cases installing its own video driver), doesn't support all video cards, etc. Thus I'd like to see if anyone here has alternative experience. I'd like something that: o Allowed me to record screen events with synchronized audio narration o Recordings are streamed in a bandwidth-friendly fashion o Players are available *at least* for Windows and Linux --Paul
On Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 10:45:57AM -0500, Paul Everitt wrote:
LD wrote:
[Begs for a videotape of Digicool people half-naked frollicing with pythons :-) ]
First, I think what Amos wrote yesterday is the start of something really, really good. As long as we keep improving it and applying more time in that direction, I expect it to provide the foothold people need to get started.
Definately, I've got some feedback for Amos that I need to write up. And I've got bizarre problems of my own---no besides THOSE :-) Can we put this up as an HTML document? I'll happily format it if necessary... but it looks like it's pretty close to passing through StructuredText.
Now to your point, I think you're on to something with "recorded" tutorials, though I don't like the videotape part.
I agree, and QuickTime copies would be too big if they were at any resolution of any use...
I've long used Lotus ScreenCam as a backup for making presentations. It allows me to "record" a screen session with all the screen events, as well as adding audio narration and captioning.
I agree with your problems, and I've had large-scale failure of them. Anyone know what Dan Bricklin is up to these days? He had some cool stuff in the DOS era for exactly this topic.
Thus I'd like to see if anyone here has alternative experience. I'd like something that:
o Allowed me to record screen events with synchronized audio narration
o Recordings are streamed in a bandwidth-friendly fashion
o Players are available *at least* for Windows and Linux
Um, forgive me my transgressions, but could you use PowerPoint for this application... quite honestly, I'm not sure how much use seeing Jim Fulton (no offense) would be, but it would be nice to see screen shots of all the steps along the way, as the forms are filled out... (BTW, I don't think this would work for the developer side, jsut the user side). Just a thought... this would also make a good introduction for a conference... you can shove PowerPoint onto the web without much trouble last I checked. Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli | petrilli@amber.org
Paul/Amos, I just scarfed down Amos' example... lot's to digest, *but* I think it is going to supply what *I* need (will let you know "next year")... Re: ScreenCam et al It would be unhelpful to me to have any requirement of MS anything... Also, I'm sure that when you complete the documentation process you are currently doing, and when some contributed Zope products start appearing... it'll all come together... working things that can be extended will be very helpful, IMO... I do agree with the notion of, minimally, support Linux... you can do MS-Windows too if you think it necessary, but hopefully, whatever is picked would have a growing base of supported platforms. (Me? A non-MS bigot? How did I let that slip out? I'm sure *no* one I know would believe that of *me*!! ;-) Like I said, I didn't think that what I had in mind would be necessary in the long term, particularly in the show&tell form that I was suggesting... definitely was suggesting "low budget" in the extreme... 'Course, seeing you guys writhing with a bunch of pythons was an interesting twist that I hadn't thought of ;-) Re: Training Materials I'm not sure that having a CBT (Computer Based Training) course would be out of line, but it is a significant investment to create, and many times too much for the "impatient" to sit through (even the barest essentials). I think that the Amos-Poll will help me quite a bit... the main thing I am now curious about (this is being written "before" my study of Amos' document) is will I be able to extend the Amos-Poll to record the votes in a Gadfly (and ultimately an Oracle) database via Aqueduct? That'll tell alot to me. I'm going to be interested to see if there is a "mindset" that develops and more or less I am able to "intuit" the remaining parts of Zope 'cuz I'll be "in the groove". Paul Everitt wrote:
LD wrote:
I'm not frustrated by what I've been able to download from Zope.org, but I am really thinking that if I could just "watch over the shoulder" of some Zope guru (Jim/Amos/Brian/Paul/all/ any/other) for 5 to 10 minutes... that all the gaps I keep running into would seal up for me...
First, I think what Amos wrote yesterday is the start of something really, really good. As long as we keep improving it and applying more time in that direction, I expect it to provide the foothold people need to get started.
Now to your point, I think you're on to something with "recorded" tutorials, though I don't like the videotape part.
I've long used Lotus ScreenCam as a backup for making presentations. It allows me to "record" a screen session with all the screen events, as well as adding audio narration and captioning.
Unfortunately the files it produces are gargantuan unless you take painful (read: unacceptable) measures to reduce it. An alternative is to buy Lotus StreamCam which streams the presentation, rather than downloading a huge (e.g. 20 Mb) file.
I don't mind the plunking down the money, but ScreenCam is a finicky product. It can get the audio and video out of sync, it is a Windows-only solution, it talks directly to the display (in some cases installing its own video driver), doesn't support all video cards, etc.
Thus I'd like to see if anyone here has alternative experience. I'd like something that:
o Allowed me to record screen events with synchronized audio narration
o Recordings are streamed in a bandwidth-friendly fashion
o Players are available *at least* for Windows and Linux
--Paul
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On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Paul Everitt wrote:
o Allowed me to record screen events with synchronized audio narration
o Recordings are streamed in a bandwidth-friendly fashion
o Players are available *at least* for Windows and Linux
--Paul
Um, Shcokwave Flash? I've seen sites use it for presentations, but I'm not sure how easy it is to make it do screen recordings. But they do have a plugin for Linux, Mac, & Windows --------------------------------------------------- - Scott Robertson Phone: 714.972.2299 - - CodeIt Computing Fax: 714.972.2399 - - http://codeit.com - ---------------------------------------------------
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