is this the only way to use stupid_log_files? " $ python1.5.2 z2.py ZSYSLOG_SERVER="syslog.mydomain.com:514" \ STUPID_FILE_LOGGER=var/Zope.log" " i got this from: http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Misc/LOGGING.txt or can i put this in a config file? i looked inside z2.py and found no place to put it. what am i supposed to expect here? i tried the command line approach but i was looking for the file and i don't think it create the file. or is it gonna be create when the first error comes? Fritz Mesedilla Systems Administrator Summit Interactive, Inc. FHM | Seventeen | Candy | Cosmopolitan | Preview | Good Housekeeping femalenetwork.com | candymag.com | fhm.com.ph | cosmo.com.ph ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://contemplation401.tripod.com +Basta Ikaw Lord