Green things, I really can't understand this... I am logged in as my normal Manager role user, editing away on my site. In the management section, no problems... I can edit, add and delete to my hearts content. However, when I try the normal view, one a certain page I get permission problems... It won't let me log in with _any_ users, even tho my permissions seem set correctly. The object in question is, in fact, standard_html_header, of all things. With the way the objects are set up, it's only rendering the same objects as from the previous page, with a little extra processing due to submitted form values. System: Zope 2.1.6 installed from source. Python 1.5.2 RedHat 6.1 (with many updates) many thanks in advance, Have a better one, Curtis Maloney.