Oh bugga, don't you hate those emails you send seconds before trying something else! For some reason it was the firefox browser here, not zope at all, very strange 'coz other sites loaded ok... ok, i love zope again ;-) i'm going home now (sob) m mistakenly i wrote: Hi, tomorrow the zope site we have been developing is going live, and all of a sudden, after months of development zope seems to have crashed! PLEASE HELP ME!! the web browser just keeps "spinning" when we call up the zope pages? no error messages or anything! could it have something to do with an updated version of pyOpenSSL.i386 installed (yum last night)? aarrgghh please tell me i haven't wasted all this time and will regret not using php!! :-) mike