Hey folks, Boy I'm feeling mighty dumb, but I just now, after maybe 8 hours of zope stuff (late night after work), discovered where the tracebacks were hiding from me. I searched this list, but never actually saw where they were printed, I finally saw it in the Trinkets Tutorial which I'm sure I read earlier <sigh>. So just in case someone else is out there in the same boat as I was - the tracebacks are comments in the html error page. DOH! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tom Jenkins DevIS (http://www.devis.com) Y2K problem? The Mayans didn't have a millennium-2K problem! Eric S. Raymond at IPC7, on learning that the Mayan calendar takes 28 octillion years to wrap around