On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 01:50:32PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:

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How much do people charge for building a Zope based site?

#hours required * hour-rate

OK, so what hourly rate should I expect to pay? and how does anyone know how much time it will take? I'm thinking of getting something setup which would mirror a small weekly newspaper.

Any chance to provide specific information about what you want? "Building a Zope based site" is like "I am want to buy a car. How much does it cost?"....Anwser: a lot.

Actually I can buy a car pretty cheaply ;-)...

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John Poltorak wrote at 2006-12-15 18:13 +0000:

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#hours required * hour-rate

OK, so what hourly rate should I expect to pay? and how does anyone know how much time it will take?

I'm thinking of getting something setup which would mirror a small weekly newspaper.

When I worked for a newspaper about 7 years ago, we implemented something like this (internet based editorial system for a magazine with internet presentation of the magazine editions) within 2 weeks with 2 to 3 persons assigned to the project -- i.e. with about 24 person days or 200 person hours. *However*, the project conditions have been optimal: The requester (a new chief of a partner department) had a very well founded technical understanding of what he wanted and what wishes might be expensive and used this understanding to strive for an easy solution. He was quick to take decisions and took the decisions always along the "start simple, grow later" principle. Under less optimal conditions, the solution could easily have been *much* more expensive! Note that this was an internal project. Your priorities and approaches may be different for a project with external consultants. -- Dieter

Andreas Jung wrote at 2006-12-17 10:32 +0100:

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When I worked for a newspaper about 7 years ago, we implemented something like this (internet based editorial system for a magazine with internet presentation of the magazine editions) within 2 weeks with 2 to 3 persons assigned to the project -- i.e. with about 24 person days or 200 person hours.

*However*, the project conditions have been optimal:

..and the times have changed: we now have different technologies

which may reduce the required time -- otherwise, you simply forget about the new technologies and stick with the old ones.

and different requirements.

Maybe.

So such numbers - without knowing about the requirements - are dust and smoke.

Looks like you think a bit too much in "black and white" categories: Even when I do not know many details, I can still provide some hints. To stay with your "car" example: When I hear that someone wants a new car, I can predict that he will probably at least need 3.000 dollars even when he did not yet specify precise details about the wanted car. Of course, if his car should win the Formular One competition, this will quickly get 30 million dollars. -- Dieter

John Poltorak wrote:

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Any chance to provide specific information about what you want? "Building a Zope based site" is like "I am want to buy a car. How much does it cost?"....Anwser: a lot.

Actually I can buy a car pretty cheaply ;-)...

In that case, I would suggest that Zope is not for you, maybe something php based? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk