For a previous message I posted to the list I was prompted to place a comment in the associated ZWiki. I went to the ZWiki to comment and played with the "Sandbox" before posting to learn a few things. From the things I learned here are a couple of comments I wanted to throw out. I know some of these run counter to the thoughts of the Wiki community but they are concerns nevertheless. The nature of Wiki is very unsecured. This is for better or worse. I know the ZWiki on the Zope site does require logging in before editing which helps but does not eliminate the potential of malicious or accidental editing. Anyone logged in can do any kind of editing they wish on a page. They can erase all text. They can insert, delete or otherwise modify comments or content made by other people. These things can be positive or negative depending on the goal or intent of the page. I think editing a page is more applicable to stable open content than it is to a forum oriented page. Examples. If Zope's documentation was managed by ZWiki in a secure manner then a community member could make corrections of typo's or legacy information like references to Principia, etc. The submit button could either be a "Submit for review" or if really trusted "Change". I know this duplicates somewhat what CVS does. Once again depends on goals. If the page is forum oriented, i.e.: an on going conversation like a bulletin board and such then it is more appropriate to "Add comment" than to "Change page". This would present the user with a cleaner interface and a clearer idea of what they are doing. They would not be presented with the entire contents of a page so they could merely append a comment on the end. If the ZWiki on the Zope site starts getting busy we run into other problems. The problems especially affect a forum oriented type page. Just to learn I opened up the "Sandbox" in a new page, I then open the "Sandbox" again in a new page. I edited the first and submitted and then edited the second and submitted. The first was successful. The second fortunately got an error message. I say fortunately because it did not overwrite the previous submission. In a busy forum or BBoard multiple people getting errors would be a bad thing. If in a forum oriented page an "Add comment" button was available then the conflicts and errors would be avoided. This would also enable ZODB's transaction mechanism better with each comment being an object associated with the page. This would also be more secure in that people would adding their value and not altering other peoples. On Philip Greenspun's site http://www.photo.net the BBoard's are somewhat integrated with email. You can subscribe to a bboard and receive email for the added comments. This is a nice feature. Their implementation is quite inelegant and could be improved. Zope/ZWiki could shine here. This allows user to choose how they want to view the messages, either through the web or via email. Just a few thoughts to throw out to the community. Jimmie Houchin