Hi, I'm struggling with finding the best way to implement a management interface for a ZPatterns-based application. In the past I've implemented a custom interface for every application, but to keep my current project simple, I'd like to take advantage of the existing management interface. Problem is, it's not easy. First, the manageInstances_html methods of my Specialists need to be integrated into the management tabs. But /manage on a Specialist gives me the standard Specialist management tabs, so I would have to create a custom Specialist-subclassed Product for every Specialist, just to add in my own tabs. Second, I can't get the tabs_path to show anything useful. My management links use absolute_url. So if, for example, I'm viewing a Task at /my_site/Tasks/123/manage_edit and I click on a subtask link, I get /my_site/Subtasks/456/manage_edit - so the tabs_path doesn't show the object's context. If I avoid using absolute_url, in the same case I would get /my_site/Tasks/123/Subtasks/456/manage_edit, which is a bit more useful but also ugly and confusing. So, what does this leave me with? Create a Python Product for the top level of the application and for every Specialist that needs to display a UI for the classes it manages. Then, override tabs_path_default with a method that somehow figures out the right path to display. And how would that work? I still think management links should use absolute urls, so I need to somehow build the path back from the displayed object, without relying on the traversal path. I could get every object supply a parent_id, then I would have to scan all the Specialists to find that parent, display it, and go on to locate its parent. KISS goes out the window. Can anyone throw some ideas on how to simplify this mess? I'm starting to think my life would be a lot easier if I didn't use ZPatterns and just used object managers to store contained objects... but I don't want to give up ZPatterns yet... TIA, Itai -- -- Itai Tavor -- "Je sautille, donc je suis." -- itai@optusnet.com.au -- - Kermit the Frog -- -- "What he needs now is understanding... and a confederate victory" -- -- Dr. Jacobi, Twin Peaks --