Documentation for web-designers
Hi! I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers. I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html, javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start into zope? thanks a lot marksu
Markus Mohr wrote:
Hi!
I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers. I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html, javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start into zope?
thanks a lot marksu
Hi Markus Maybe the best start for Zope is the Zope book: http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ It will get to the book shops in June or July, but you can have a look at the current draft at the above link (including a downloadable pdf format). ---Flynt
Also look at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/
From: Flynt <rhess@bic.ch> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:48:16 +0200 To: Markus Mohr <markus@johalla.de> Cc: zope@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope] Documentation for web-designers
Markus Mohr wrote:
Hi!
I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers. I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html, javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start into zope?
thanks a lot marksu
Hi Markus
Maybe the best start for Zope is the Zope book:
http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/
It will get to the book shops in June or July, but you can have a look at the current draft at the above link (including a downloadable pdf format).
---Flynt
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marc lindahl wrote:
Also look at http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Guides/
All these guides are marked as deprecated. ciao marksu
From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers. I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html, javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start into zope?
Good topic for a new Zope book. Much needed imho. Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for. Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team using Zope. Thinking Zope vs. Using Zope vs. Designing Zope vs. Understanding Zope etc..? ./Jason ___________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
While I understand the distinct skill sets, job titles, and prime focus between 'designers' and 'programmers' I'd like to make a plug for the possible integration of these two roles in VERY SMALL sites and applications. I'm hoping to learn enough about both aspects to create a successful site (ok..we're a research group, not needing to attract users, and not focused as much on look and feel as we are on functionality - but we've gotta get a better interface that what comes directly with Zope). Wonder if an introduction of using a designing editor (ok.. i'll suggest DreamWeaver) and integrating it with a simple Zope site might be a good start? This might be a way for a senior, advanced Web Designer (with javascript experience, etc) to grok the divide, and see how Zope could become another took in their kits. And it also might be a way to get Zope folks to bring together their experiences (and frustrations?) in getting pure zope sites to integrate with a more traditional site. ZPT be a good thing to include in such an introduction?? rich Jason Cunliffe wrote:
From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers. I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html, javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start into zope?
Good topic for a new Zope book. Much needed imho.
Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for. Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team using Zope.
Thinking Zope vs. Using Zope vs. Designing Zope vs. Understanding Zope etc..?
./Jason ___________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
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Hi Jason, Markus, --On Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 12:05 -0400 Jason Cunliffe <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com> wrote:
From: "Markus Mohr" <markus@johalla.de>
I'm looking for an introduction to Zope for web-designers. I'm having a bunch of people with lots of knowledge about html, javascript,... and such, but know nil about zope , dtml or python. Is there a documentation out there that I can give to them for a good start into zope?
Good topic for a new Zope book. Much needed imho.
This is already under its way :-) (only planned in german so far. But I suspect this pleasures Markus even more :)
Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for. Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team using Zope.
In my opinion there are programmers and ones that use zope. Surely programmers and users can be the same person.
From trainings I know its really hard to get different people into thinking in terms of programming, let aside internet technologie or even zope.
A general startup into the zope direction involves an overview of the python programming language, especially in the domain of classes and objects. (I find the tutorial on python.org very usefull on this subject) Basic knowledge (the deeper the better) of whats HTTP and whats going on between server and client is also recommended. Last not least one has to analyse the problem to be solved before starting the actual work on coding. Write down (or model with a case tool) what should happen when, from where to where flows data and who should see what and when. (design comes at the end of such process) Select whats common in different tasks, these parts are candidates for classes (or zclasses, so to speak) You dont need every programmer understand every part of your implementation as long as you provide consistent (inner application) APIs for them. HTH Tino Wildenhain
Thinking Zope vs. Using Zope vs. Designing Zope vs. Understanding Zope etc..?
This is already under its way :-) (only planned in german so far. But I suspect this pleasures Markus even more :) Yes, will do. ;) Is there something to see already?
Last not least one has to analyse the problem to be solved before starting the actual work on coding.
Write down (or model with a case tool) what should happen when, from where to where flows data and who should see what and when.
(design comes at the end of such process) Ha! Quote: 'organized work stops the flow of creativity...' :) But you are right. Thats one of the benefits I see in zope: the need of organized work. Helps a lot in the long run.
ciao marksu
Can you be clearer about what kind of introduction you are looking for. Do you expect them to program Zope themselves, or merely be part of a team using Zope. The designers know html and javascript so they know basic programming. When they create a new site they also have the realisation in mind. They know their tricks, but they don't know the tricks zope can do. What is easy, what is difficult. What basic things can they do with dtml? The problem is that they will never (want) to learn python - thats not their job. Still they need a grasp of things that can be done. For example is acquisition a great thing for web design and its of course in the docs, but the documentation has an other target group: programmers.
ciao marksu
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