I would like to get some opinions on the best way to design a web site using Zope. I don't mean the part about factoring content and general design principles. What I'd like is how people sit down and do it. Do you type DTML? Do you work in a webpage designing suite then write out the HTML and switch the relevant stuff to DTML? If so, which suite do you use? Do you have any other pearls of wisdom which took a long time to discover but you can't seem to live without now? I'm about to design my first major website from scratch and would like to know. A little advice up front can save me a lot of trial and error down the road. I realize this is a little nebulous, but any advice would be appreciated thanks, Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
I personally just write the raw dtml/html code in the Zope management interface, but that is me (I have a knack for languages, spoken and computer, - had military training in 2 (Vietnamese and Russian) and have picked up a bagful of computer languages over the years. HTML, JavaScript, Zope(DTML) and Python being the latest) I have tried using a GUI to design a page and then convert it to DTML manually, but I have found that most GUIs produce really "fat" code and don't like it. JIm ----- Original Message ----- From: danny shevitz <danny_shevitz@yahoo.com> To: zope <zope@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: [Zope] How do YOU enter content? I would like to get some opinions on the best way to design a web site using Zope. I don't mean the part about factoring content and general design principles. What I'd like is how people sit down and do it. Do you type DTML? Do you work in a webpage designing suite then write out the HTML and switch the relevant stuff to DTML? If so, which suite do you use? Do you have any other pearls of wisdom which took a long time to discover but you can't seem to live without now? I'm about to design my first major website from scratch and would like to know. A little advice up front can save me a lot of trial and error down the road. I realize this is a little nebulous, but any advice would be appreciated thanks, Danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 12:01:04PM -0600, Jim Sanford wrote:
I personally just write the raw dtml/html code in the Zope management interface, but that is me (I have a knack for languages, spoken and computer, - had military training in 2 (Vietnamese and Russian) and have picked up a bagful of computer languages over the years. HTML, JavaScript, Zope(DTML) and Python being the latest)
I have tried using a GUI to design a page and then convert it to DTML manually, but I have found that most GUIs produce really "fat" code and don't like it.
Seconded. I remember an instance where I created a rather large table (200 rows) with Frontpage. The HTML file was > 100k. I looked at the file in a text editor, and it using a whole lot of extraneous <FONT> tags, etc. I just cleaned up a page written with Netscape Composer. Ugh! That code was nasty! Quite honestly, my artist friend and I (I'm nowhere close to a graphics designer; I'm just the "code monkey") start out with a list of sections to the web site and then try and make a mockup HTML page. We browse around other web sites and discuss the pros/cons of different things, then we update/refresh on a copy of Zope that runs on my computer until we get it right. After that, we outline the content that will be in each section and start doing them. I normally write some ZClass Products as needed beforehand but then we jump right into a RAD design cycle. Every section goes through several revisions until we are both satisfied. I write raw DTML into Zope, but then again, HTML makes sense to me :-) Disclaimer: I've only developed one site with Zope so far; Its a church youth group site. A near-final copy is at http://secure.lunaweb.net:8100 if you'd like to see the result of my "strategy". I'd be interested in what other people have to say about their development cycle. -- Stephen Pitts smpitts@midsouth.rr.com
Stephen Pitts wrote:
On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 12:01:04PM -0600, Jim Sanford wrote:
I personally just write the raw dtml/html code in the Zope management interface, but that is me (I have a knack for languages, spoken and computer, - had military training in 2 (Vietnamese and Russian) and have picked up a bagful of computer languages over the years. HTML, JavaScript, Zope(DTML) and Python being the latest)
I have tried using a GUI to design a page and then convert it to DTML manually, but I have found that most GUIs produce really "fat" code and don't like it.
Seconded. I remember an instance where I created a rather large table (200 rows) with Frontpage. The HTML file was > 100k. I looked at the file in a text editor, and it using a whole lot of extraneous <FONT> tags, etc. I just cleaned up a page written with Netscape Composer. Ugh! That code was nasty!
I used to do that do. Nowadays, If I use a gui tool of any sort for a starting point, it is amaya or bluefish. I found that it was taking more time to clean the html than to just write proper html to begin with. ...
After that, we outline the content that will be in each section and start doing them. I normally write some ZClass Products as needed beforehand but then we jump right into a RAD design cycle. Every section goes through several revisions until we are both satisfied. I write raw DTML into Zope, but then again, HTML makes sense to me :-)
I do this 98% of the time. Th eonly time I use an actual editor is when the constructs might get hairy. Bill Anderson. -- In flying I have learned that carelessness and overconfidence are usually far more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks. -- Wilbur Wright in a letter to his father, September 1900
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