Careful with that Axe, Martijn! ;) Chris Petrelli brought up the point just the other day that the ability to quicky and easily add objects to the 'Add' menu can mean trouble. It is the opinion of some the add menu is too big as it is. I'm sure many of you have sat down at a Windows machine whose user didnt' organize their start menu very deep, and the 'Programs' menu was pages upon pages of menu options all at the same depth. In that particular case, we are talking about user error, but in this case, it is a limitation of the web pulldown box widget (not really a limitation of the existing widget, but the lack of a more complex structured one).
A'hoy! I knew Michel was up to something, my ears hurt... Seriously though, I think that there are some elegant ways to solve this. If only there were "cascading menus" in HTML ;-)
So this will require some thought. It is all good and cool that we can create our own objects very quickly now, but it can get out of hand (you should see my sandbox!)
I've heard tell, "oh my gawd, where did I put that class?!?!?!?!" and yet there must be a better way. I will simply toss out that the idea of a better management interface is brewing, and the reality is that *soon* there will be some hefty overhauls into roles in the management interfaces that will I believe permit some elimination of this for MOST people who use the environment. All in due course! Money will of course, speed the process! Send your $100 bills to...
Midgard's authentication system is fairly limited. I'd miss acquisition!
Wouldn't we all.
My take is it's more a "prebuilt" environment to do your PHP3 stuff in, but that doesn't make it an "application server" any more than a single ASP is an application server. That doesn't mean there aren't any neat ideas :-) Chris -- Christopher Petrilli Digital Creations petrilli@digicool.com
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Careful with that Axe, Martijn! ;) Chris Petrelli brought up the point just the other day that the ability to quicky and easily add objects to the 'Add' menu can mean trouble. It is the opinion of some the add menu is too big as it is. I'm sure many of you have sat down at a Windows machine whose user didnt' organize their start menu very deep, and the 'Programs' menu was pages upon pages of menu options all at the same depth. In that particular case, we are talking about user error, but in this case, it is a limitation of the web pulldown box widget (not really a limitation of the existing widget, but the lack of a more complex structured one).
A'hoy! I knew Michel was up to something, my ears hurt... Seriously though, I think that there are some elegant ways to solve this. If only there were "cascading menus" in HTML ;-)
Cascading menus are pretty simple using a little Javascript... And it should be possible to have the interface provide a traditional long-john add list in the absence of Javascript. Basically you have the Javascript change the contents of menu B based on the selection in menu A. I have a sample in Zope based on data pulled from an SQL query, if you're interested.
So this will require some thought. It is all good and cool that we can create our own objects very quickly now, but it can get out of hand (you should see my sandbox!)
I've heard tell, "oh my gawd, where did I put that class?!?!?!?!" and yet there must be a better way. I will simply toss out that the idea of a better management interface is brewing, and the reality is that *soon* there will be some hefty overhauls into roles in the management interfaces that will I believe permit some elimination of this for MOST people who use the environment. All in due course! Money will of course, speed the process! Send your $100 bills to...
Midgard's authentication system is fairly limited. I'd miss acquisition!
Wouldn't we all.
My take is it's more a "prebuilt" environment to do your PHP3 stuff in, but that doesn't make it an "application server" any more than a single ASP is an application server. That doesn't mean there aren't any neat ideas :-)
Chris -- Christopher Petrilli Digital Creations petrilli@digicool.com
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