Greetings, I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I should be looking out for? Many thanks, Dan
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote:
I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a variety of ZClass homegrown products as well.
I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I should be looking out for?
I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. - - Copy your old database over and test. then upgrade the software stack: - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz+jJwACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ5/0wCgujisDb7vxO966ywlxvORAAsZ vXAAnjpGkfah2Bf0ME29x5dEhhMakNdK =rSSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
+-------[ Tres Seaver ]---------------------- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote: | | > I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly | > complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This | > configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I | > would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also | > seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current | > release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated | > products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a | > variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. | > | > I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any | > of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on | > the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone | > use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I | > should be looking out for? | | I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: | | - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. | | - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. | | - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. | | - - Copy your old database over and test. | | then upgrade the software stack: | | - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' | 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. | | - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with | Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade. The move from 2.9 to 2.10 is likely to be the most painful part in terms of legacy Zope apps. A lot of products will break on 2.10 -- Andrew Milton akm@theinternet.com.au
Good advice here, thanks! Is it a big mistake to stay at Zope 2.8.6? The server has been very stable for years, apparently. What are the downfalls of not upgrading all the way past 2.10? On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Milton wrote:
+-------[ Tres Seaver ]---------------------- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote: | | > I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly | > complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This | > configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I | > would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also | > seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current | > release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated | > products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a | > variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. | > | > I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any | > of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on | > the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone | > use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I | > should be looking out for? | | I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: | | - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. | | - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. | | - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. | | - - Copy your old database over and test. | | then upgrade the software stack: | | - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' | 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. | | - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with | Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade.
The move from 2.9 to 2.10 is likely to be the most painful part in terms of legacy Zope apps. A lot of products will break on 2.10
-- Andrew Milton akm@theinternet.com.au _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
We're running several perfectly working 2.8 Zopes. They've been very stable. Annoying that Ubuntu insists on making Python 2.4 hard to install but for some of the servers we've changed back to Debian. On 7 December 2010 16:58, Dan Gaibel <dg76@cornell.edu> wrote:
Good advice here, thanks! Is it a big mistake to stay at Zope 2.8.6? The server has been very stable for years, apparently. What are the downfalls of not upgrading all the way past 2.10?
On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Milton wrote:
+-------[ Tres Seaver ]---------------------- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote: | | > I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly | > complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This | > configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I | > would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also | > seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current | > release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated | > products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a | > variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. | > | > I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any | > of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on | > the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone | > use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I | > should be looking out for? | | I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: | | - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. | | - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. | | - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. | | - - Copy your old database over and test. | | then upgrade the software stack: | | - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' | 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. | | - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with | Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade.
The move from 2.9 to 2.10 is likely to be the most painful part in terms of legacy Zope apps. A lot of products will break on 2.10
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Dan - we are using 64bit Zope 2.8.7 and python 2.4 with no problems for years now. It can do everything we want with regards to Python scripting, database connectivity etc. I can't think of any huge problems with staying on Zope 2.8.6/7 era. I have said before 2.10+ breaks lots of products that would take ages to hack about (especially for companies using Zope not individuals with time on their hands). I'm all for upgrading, bug fixing and refactoring normally, but the backwards compatibility with Zope makes it harder than it should be. Rich On 08/12/10 12:11, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
We're running several perfectly working 2.8 Zopes. They've been very stable. Annoying that Ubuntu insists on making Python 2.4 hard to install but for some of the servers we've changed back to Debian.
On 7 December 2010 16:58, Dan Gaibel<dg76@cornell.edu> wrote:
Good advice here, thanks! Is it a big mistake to stay at Zope 2.8.6? The server has been very stable for years, apparently. What are the downfalls of not upgrading all the way past 2.10?
On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Milton wrote:
+-------[ Tres Seaver ]---------------------- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote: | |> I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly |> complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This |> configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I |> would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also |> seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current |> release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated |> products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a |> variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. |> |> I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any |> of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on |> the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone |> use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I |> should be looking out for? | | I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: | | - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. | | - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. | | - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. | | - - Copy your old database over and test. | | then upgrade the software stack: | | - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' | 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. | | - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with | Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade.
The move from 2.9 to 2.10 is likely to be the most painful part in terms of legacy Zope apps. A lot of products will break on 2.10
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So OS X Server Snow Leopard comes with Python 2.6.1. Is there any reason to think that this Python version would cause problems with Zope 2.8.6? We have had nice stability with Python 2.3.5. Either way, is Zope 2.8.7 a significantly better choice than 2.8.6? On Dec 8, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Richard Harley wrote:
Dan - we are using 64bit Zope 2.8.7 and python 2.4 with no problems for years now. It can do everything we want with regards to Python scripting, database connectivity etc.
I can't think of any huge problems with staying on Zope 2.8.6/7 era. I have said before 2.10+ breaks lots of products that would take ages to hack about (especially for companies using Zope not individuals with time on their hands). I'm all for upgrading, bug fixing and refactoring normally, but the backwards compatibility with Zope makes it harder than it should be.
Rich
On 08/12/10 12:11, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
We're running several perfectly working 2.8 Zopes. They've been very stable. Annoying that Ubuntu insists on making Python 2.4 hard to install but for some of the servers we've changed back to Debian.
On 7 December 2010 16:58, Dan Gaibel<dg76@cornell.edu> wrote:
Good advice here, thanks! Is it a big mistake to stay at Zope 2.8.6? The server has been very stable for years, apparently. What are the downfalls of not upgrading all the way past 2.10?
On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Milton wrote:
+-------[ Tres Seaver ]---------------------- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote: | |> I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly |> complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This |> configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I |> would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also |> seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current |> release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated |> products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a |> variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. |> |> I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any |> of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on |> the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone |> use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I |> should be looking out for? | | I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: | | - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. | | - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. | | - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. | | - - Copy your old database over and test. | | then upgrade the software stack: | | - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' | 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. | | - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with | Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade.
The move from 2.9 to 2.10 is likely to be the most painful part in terms of legacy Zope apps. A lot of products will break on 2.10
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I think earlier than Zope 2.12 python 2.4 is mandatory.. don't quote me on that :) On 09/12/10 06:52, Dan Gaibel wrote:
So OS X Server Snow Leopard comes with Python 2.6.1. Is there any reason to think that this Python version would cause problems with Zope 2.8.6? We have had nice stability with Python 2.3.5. Either way, is Zope 2.8.7 a significantly better choice than 2.8.6?
On Dec 8, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Richard Harley wrote:
Dan - we are using 64bit Zope 2.8.7 and python 2.4 with no problems for years now. It can do everything we want with regards to Python scripting, database connectivity etc.
I can't think of any huge problems with staying on Zope 2.8.6/7 era. I have said before 2.10+ breaks lots of products that would take ages to hack about (especially for companies using Zope not individuals with time on their hands). I'm all for upgrading, bug fixing and refactoring normally, but the backwards compatibility with Zope makes it harder than it should be.
Rich
On 08/12/10 12:11, Peter Bengtsson wrote:
We're running several perfectly working 2.8 Zopes. They've been very stable. Annoying that Ubuntu insists on making Python 2.4 hard to install but for some of the servers we've changed back to Debian.
On 7 December 2010 16:58, Dan Gaibel<dg76@cornell.edu> wrote:
Good advice here, thanks! Is it a big mistake to stay at Zope 2.8.6? The server has been very stable for years, apparently. What are the downfalls of not upgrading all the way past 2.10?
On Dec 7, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Milton wrote:
+-------[ Tres Seaver ]---------------------- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 12/07/2010 01:18 PM, Dan Gaibel wrote: | |> I have recently inherited the responsibility of supporting a fairly |> complex web server running Zope 2.8.6 on Python 2.3.5. This |> configuration is currently on a Linux (Fedora Core) server and I |> would like very much to migrate to OS X Server Snow Leopard. It also |> seems to me that I should consider upgrading Zope to a more current |> release while I'm at it. We heavily use MySQL and associated |> products, LocalFS, and the Python Imagining Library. We have a |> variety of ZClass homegrown products as well. |> |> I know that I'm in for a headache no matter what, but I wonder if any |> of you folks could point me in the right direction or offer advice on |> the situation. Is it crazy to jump from 2.8.6 to 2.12? Does anyone |> use OS X Server for Zope? Is this migration a mistake? Any pitfalls I |> should be looking out for? | | I would do this in small steps, e.g. first migrate to the new machine / OS: | | - - Get Python 2.3.x installed on the OS/X server. | | - - Build the latest Zope 2.8.* on that server. | | - - Install and test products there in the same versions you now use. | | - - Copy your old database over and test. | | then upgrade the software stack: | | - - Move carefully through the Zope releases (I would to 2.9, 2.10, and' | 2.12), upgrading Python as needed to stay on a supported version. | | - - Check for upgrades to the products, and their compatibility with | Zope versions. Test them, and your site. after each upgrade.
The move from 2.9 to 2.10 is likely to be the most painful part in terms of legacy Zope apps. A lot of products will break on 2.10
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On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 07:52, Dan Gaibel <dg76@cornell.edu> wrote:
So OS X Server Snow Leopard comes with Python 2.6.1. Is there any reason to think that this Python version would cause problems with Zope 2.8.6?
Yes, that would cause problems.
We have had nice stability with Python 2.3.5. Either way, is Zope 2.8.7 a significantly better choice than 2.8.6?
No, but then it's unlikely to cause you any upgrade worries as it should be pretty much only bugfixes. //Lennart
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