RE: [Zope] Zope/HTML developer in Emeryville, CA
DTML is dead, long live ZPT! Thanks, Derek Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Gerrietts [mailto:geoff@gerrietts.net] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:09 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Zope/HTML developer in Emeryville, CA The company I'm working for (HomeGain.com) is looking for a HTML/Javascript expert, preferably with experience in Zope and DTML. I can't speak for what they're looking to pay beyond "competitive" and I think that they're considering intermediate to expert candidates for the position. Below is the HR-friendly position description. If you would like to apply for the position, please send me your resume/cover email and I will forward it on to the appropriate parties. Thanks, --G. Job Title: Web Developer Job Summary Execute and manage site changes in response to business needs Ideal Candidate * 5 + years development experience * Experience working with a large site with complex information model * Working knowledge of JavaScript, CSS * DTML, Zope, Python programming knowledge * UNIX development skills * Knowledge of scripting languages is very useful Duties & Responsibilities * Assist and direct the implementation, maintenance and upgrade of the HomeGain web site. * Work closely with UI team to maintain identity of web site * Provide technical assessments and workload estimates * Interact with backend developers and QA analysts * Provide insight of web issues to business units * Documentation and testing Required * BS/MS in Computer Science * 3+ years web development * Knowledge of browser limitations * Strong HTML and general Internet knowledge * Excellent verbal and written communication skills * Experienced work in a fast paced, changing environment -- Geoff Gerrietts <geoff@gerrietts.net> _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 07:36, Wilson, Derek wrote:
DTML is dead, long live ZPT!
Oh for heaven's sake. DTML may be a crufty, aesthetically noxious historical artifact... but it's miles away from dead. In point of fact, it's not the least bit clear that that ZPT usage even *exceeds* DTML usage. And though you may not find us blowing our horns quite as loudly, there are more than a few here who *prefer* DTML's trade-offs to ZPT's. The history of computing is teeming with examples of "worse" solutions that have enjoyed considerably greater success than their "better" counterparts. DTML may be one such case where worse *is* better. Somewhat related: http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worse_is_better YMMV, IMO, $.02 & all that. Dylan
On Nov 10, 2003, at 11:49 AM, Dylan Reinhardt wrote:
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 07:36, Wilson, Derek wrote:
DTML is dead, long live ZPT!
Oh for heaven's sake.
DTML may be a crufty, aesthetically noxious historical artifact... but it's miles away from dead. In point of fact, it's not the least bit clear that that ZPT usage even *exceeds* DTML usage. And though you may not find us blowing our horns quite as loudly, there are more than a few here who *prefer* DTML's trade-offs to ZPT's.
DTML isn't dead, but some of us *wish* it was. And by proclaiming it dead, we hope to create anti-buzz around DTML, thus speeding the adoption of ZPT. It may be FUD, but it is FUD for benevolent ends! Let us save you from yourself! (What, you don't need saving? Pshaw...) If ZPT just had a non-attribute-language form, then we could really call DTML dead. I'm surprised no one's written that before now, it doesn't seem like it would be unreasonably difficult. PS, all the cool kids use ZPT -- Ian Bicking | ianb@colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 10:42, Ian Bicking wrote:
PS, all the cool kids use ZPT
I have to admit, that's an argument I hadn't considered. I didn't intend to enter this field at first... but programming is what all the cool kids were doing, so I just sorta went with the crowd. Thanks for the clue. :-) Dylan
Ian Bicking wrote:
If ZPT just had a non-attribute-language form, then we could really call DTML dead. I'm surprised no one's written that before now, it doesn't seem like it would be unreasonably difficult.
What form do you envision? If you just mean something more DTML-ish that operates on plain text, we have that: <tal:defs define="child here/me"> Hi Mom! It's your <tal:x replace="child/relationship" />, <tal:x replace="child/name" />! </tal:defs> It's just missing all of the cool features that make DTML so convenient for this sort of thing ;-)
PS, all the cool kids use ZPT
Heh :-)
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