Hi all, My chief tell me that I need forget to Zope, because Nfuse-Elite from Citrix will be better - it cost long money, so our customers will pay more (ve are Value-Added-Reseller mainly). But NFE is nothing more than _few_templates_ and (of course) one DLL ISAPI library for IIS. CDA (Content DElivery Agents) are in Zope similar too, but more powerfull. And NFE cost ten-thousands USD. CDA is written in Visual Basic (we have one programmer in VB), Zope need Python (I was start to learn Python, but must break :-(( Could somebody show me some more aspect for Zope to argumentate? And how to sell open-source solutions? Chief says me that I does not make profit with open-source solutions. I am not businessmann, I am technician and chief and our businessmans is microsoft-ass and is not able to sell solutions in open-source. He sells software, hardware and mainly _service_time_. With Zope I have very small amount of service time to our customers, SW is free, so customers pay very very little and chief is like orangutan. For Example. I have 20 service hours/month, my college that make M$ solutions have 150 hours/month and working in nights and so. Clients that I serve are settle with my services. Time to change company? Many thanks, J. Lukesh
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:58:43PM +0100, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
For Example. I have 20 service hours/month, my college that make M$ solutions have 150 hours/month and working in nights and so. Clients that I serve are settle with my services.
Could this be because Zope works so well ? I hope you the best ! bye, Jerome Alet
Unfortunately Jaroslav, we solve technical problems on this mailing list. Office politics are a bigger challenge ;-) I fully agree with you that Zope is far better than most systems available. It's why I can survive as a 1 man service company. If it weren't so powerful, I wouldn't have so many happy customers. Yes, it means less money per project, but it also means more projects and a wider range of experience. Zope and the CMF are very powerful because they provide: * templating languages (DTML/ZPT) * python scripting * workflow (in CMF) * builtin user management * ZODB for native object storage (big plus :) * easy connectivity to RDBMS * sessions * easy python object publication * much prebuilt content items with third-party products (many are free :) I don't know if those points help you, but I've tried. Thanks for using Zope. Troy Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
Hi all,
My chief tell me that I need forget to Zope, because Nfuse-Elite from Citrix will be better - it cost long money, so our customers will pay more (ve are Value-Added-Reseller mainly).
But NFE is nothing more than _few_templates_ and (of course) one DLL ISAPI library for IIS. CDA (Content DElivery Agents) are in Zope similar too, but more powerfull. And NFE cost ten-thousands USD.
CDA is written in Visual Basic (we have one programmer in VB), Zope need Python (I was start to learn Python, but must break :-((
Could somebody show me some more aspect for Zope to argumentate?
And how to sell open-source solutions? Chief says me that I does not make profit with open-source solutions. I am not businessmann, I am technician and chief and our businessmans is microsoft-ass and is not able to sell solutions in open-source. He sells software, hardware and mainly _service_time_. With Zope I have very small amount of service time to our customers, SW is free, so customers pay very very little and chief is like orangutan.
For Example. I have 20 service hours/month, my college that make M$ solutions have 150 hours/month and working in nights and so. Clients that I serve are settle with my services.
Time to change company?
Many thanks, J. Lukesh
Could somebody show me some more aspect for Zope to argumentate?
And how to sell open-source solutions? Chief says me that I does not make profit with open-source solutions. I am not businessmann, I am technician and chief and our businessmans is microsoft-ass and is not able to sell solutions in open-source. He sells software, hardware and mainly _service_time_. With Zope I have very small amount of service time to our customers, SW is free, so customers pay very very little and chief is like orangutan.
How to sell open source solutions, ah theres a good challenge. If your boss is thinking in the mind set of a person who only marks up what is available, then he is in the wrong game for Zope. If people are able to get something for free, or pay for your version then they have to give them more. Value add, why do people pay for Redhat when they could download it for free? If it only takes 20 hours to maintain Zope you have 130 hours to add in such fantastic features to your service that will people will be flocking to your door. Sigh its always depressing to hear people wanting to sell a worse system because they can make more money off of it. Zope 3 is doomed :) -- Andy McKay
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