I'm not sure that this is the right mail forum, but is anybody using LoginManager? We're trying to change from GUF to LoginManager and I'm having some problems with it. I spent forever just trying to get ZPatterns to work right, but that seems like it's installed ok now. Here's what I'm using: Zope 2.4.3 on RH 7.1 ZPatterns 0.4.3b1 LoginManager 0.8.6 and/or 0.8.8b1 (they both do the same thing) LoginManager just shows up in the Product Management as a Broken Product and this is what it gives for traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/OFS/Application.py", line 563, in import_product product=__import__(pname, global_dict, global_dict, silly) File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/LoginManager/__init__.py", line 1, in ? import LoginManager, LoginMethods, UserSources File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/LoginManager/LoginManager.py", line 7, in ? from Products.ZPatterns.PlugIns import PlugInGroup File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/__init__.py", line 1, in ? import Rack, Specialists, Customizers, AttributeProviders, SheetProviders File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/Rack.py", line 1, in ? from DataManagers import DataManager File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/DataManagers.py", line 6, in ? from AttributeProviders import AttributeProvider File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/AttributeProviders.py", line 7, in ? from Expressions import * File "/usr/local/Zope/lib/python/Products/ZPatterns/Expressions.py", line 38, in ? from DocumentTemplate.DT_Util import Eval, expr_globals, TemplateDict, \ ImportError: cannot import name expr_globals Both versions that I've tried do this. I've checked permissions and tried re-compiling ZPatterns, but it always shows up like this. Any ideas? TIA Rick