Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so: < URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F > My attention was drawn to this sad fact when I reported (was I thought was) a bug in Mozilla: < URL: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44757 > Is Zope buggy, producing HTML like this? Svante Kleist NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm
Zope produces the HTML that you tell it to produce. The only thing that I can think of that has native html in it is the <dtml-var tree> tags which use tables. My guess is that the DC crew is more worried about creating the best web application server on the market than validating html. :) J
From: Svante Kleist <svante+zope@NEMESIS.se> Reply-To: "Svante.Kleist" <Svante.Kleist@NEMESIS.se> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:35:36 +0200 To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] "http://www.zope.org": HORRIBLE HTML
Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so:
< URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F >
My attention was drawn to this sad fact when I reported (was I thought was) a bug in Mozilla:
< URL: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44757 >
Is Zope buggy, producing HTML like this?
Svante Kleist NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Svante Kleist wrote:
Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so: < URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F >
I think this can be mostly attributed to the people who built zope.org. If I validate some pretty plain standard page, I get nothing except: Error: Missing DOCTYPE declaration at start of document (explanation...) ...which arguably isn't really necessarry. Of course, each product than includes rendered objects is only as good as the html of its authors. But to say Zope generates terrible html is a bit much, imho. ;-) Nils
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 06:35:36PM +0200, Svante Kleist wrote:
Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so:
< URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F >
My attention was drawn to this sad fact when I reported (was I thought was) a bug in Mozilla:
< URL: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44757 >
Is Zope buggy, producing HTML like this?
This is entirely our (Zope.org website maintainers) fault. Zope.org in it's current state has somewhat "evolved" over time as people had some spare time to apply fixes in between jobs, which shows in the, ahem, dare I say "quality" of the produced HTML. That said, we did _try_ to bring up the HTML to succesfully validate through W3C's tools, but as it turns out Netscape's CSS implementation is so buggy we need to leave the </H2> end-tags to keep things working.. =( -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:mj@digicool.com | Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ | ZopeStudio: http://www.zope.org/Products/ZopeStudio -----------------------------------------------------
Svante Kleist wrote:
Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so:
[...]
Is Zope buggy, producing HTML like this?
Right now, Zope.org tries to balance between IE users, NS 4.x users, and emacs/text mode users. Around the same time that NS 6 comes out, zope.org will be transitioning to a fully w3c standard compliant site. This will break NS 4, and that is what's kept us doing patently wrong things. This isn't a failing of Zope: the software itself can serve arbitrary HTML pages. -- ethan mindlace fremen Zopatista Community Liason
Please, take a look at the errors the validator outputs before you post messages like "Is Zope buggy..." Well you did at least draw some attention to the thing, but I must be honest and say that I'm quite happy with the way Zope produces HTML. Hope you don't feel like I'm barking back, but after having looked at it closer, the HTML is not bad at all. Cheers, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Svante Kleist <svante+zope@NEMESIS.se> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: [Zope] "http://www.zope.org": HORRIBLE HTML
Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so:
< URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F >
My attention was drawn to this sad fact when I reported (was I thought was) a bug in Mozilla:
< URL: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44757 >
Is Zope buggy, producing HTML like this?
Svante Kleist NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm
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Zope doesn't actually 'produce' HTML in most cases. The HTML in question was almost certainly written by hand or by a third party product (DreamWeaver etc). ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter be" <peter@grenna.net> To: "Svante.Kleist" <Svante.Kleist@NEMESIS.se> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: 09 July 2000 01:10 Subject: [Zope] SV: [Zope] "http://www.zope.org": HORRIBLE HTML
Please, take a look at the errors the validator outputs before you post messages like "Is Zope buggy..." Well you did at least draw some attention to the thing, but I must be honest and say that I'm quite happy with the way Zope produces HTML.
Hope you don't feel like I'm barking back, but after having looked at it closer, the HTML is not bad at all.
Cheers, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Svante Kleist <svante+zope@NEMESIS.se> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: [Zope] "http://www.zope.org": HORRIBLE HTML
Has anybody tried to validate the Zope homepage? Like so:
< URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zope.org%2F >
My attention was drawn to this sad fact when I reported (was I thought was) a bug in Mozilla:
< URL: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44757 >
Is Zope buggy, producing HTML like this?
Svante Kleist NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm
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