*Dear All,* * * *I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place. However, please forgive me if I am doing something wrong. * ** *I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was looking for a good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to find this site. I found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most important) step is to start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I am unable do so. The reason being that I do not exactly know what to do. * * * *I have installed Zope 2.9.6 from the link below:* *http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6*<http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6> * * *and have downloaded issuetracker from : ** http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct*<http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct> * * *When I unzip issue tracker all I see is a bunch of gif files, dtml files, py and zpt files. I have no idea what to do next. Please help me out to use this tool at the earliest. Also I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with any kind of documentation available to carry out the same. * *Thanks and Regards,* *Reena Diju*
there is very good dolumentation to be found under: http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts) google on how to install new zope products. I found: http://highspeedrails.com/Support/Howto/InstallProducts robert Reena Karthikeyan wrote:
*Dear All,*
* *
*I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place. However, please forgive me if I am doing something wrong. * ** *I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was looking for a good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to find this site. I found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most important) step is to start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I am unable do so. The reason being that I do not exactly know what to do. *
* *
*I have installed Zope 2.9.6 from the link below: *
*http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6*
* *
*and have downloaded issuetracker from : * *http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct*
* *
*When I unzip issue tracker all I see is a bunch of gif files, dtml files, py and zpt files. I have no idea what to do next. Please help me out to use this tool at the earliest. Also I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with any kind of documentation available to carry out the same. *
/*Thanks and Regards,*/
/*Reena Diju*/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> To: "Reena Karthikeyan" <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......
there is very good dolumentation to be found under: http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)
ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt). DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept. ZPT and DTML are used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing components of Zope. Jonathan
Jonathan wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> To: "Reena Karthikeyan" <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......
there is very good dolumentation to be found under: http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)
ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).
DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept. ZPT and DTML are used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing components of Zope.
Jonathan
your right Dtml is not dying. its dead. some zombies here and there however .. :) robert PS: some 5 years ago I was proficient with Dtml. Nowadays I get the shivers if I have to understand a piece of it
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> To: "Jonathan" <dev101@magma.ca> Cc: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>; "Reena Karthikeyan" <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......
Jonathan wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> To: "Reena Karthikeyan" <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......
there is very good dolumentation to be found under: http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)
ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).
DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept. ZPT and DTML are used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing components of Zope.
Jonathan
your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.
At the risk of feeding the troll... One of the wonderful things (of which there are many!) about Zope, is that Zope provides a plethora of tools for building applications. Some people prefer certain tools over others. The choice of tool is less important than whether it meets the needs of the application. If a Zope developer has a preference for one tool over another that is an internal choice, and I am sure that newcomers to Zope would be happy to hear the reasons for the tool selection. However, it is not helpful to disparage the other tools as newcomers to Zope may find them useful. Saying that certain features are 'dead' (which they are not in this particular instance) may scare newcomers away from that tool, and possibly away from Zope, which would not be helpful to the Zope community as a whole. Zope is a fantastic web application development platform, and it is in our own best interests to ensure that newcomers are informed about all of the many features and solutions it offers. Jonathan
Jonathan wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> To: "Jonathan" <dev101@magma.ca> Cc: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>; "Reena Karthikeyan" <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......
Jonathan wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> To: "Reena Karthikeyan" <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Urgent Help Required......
there is very good dolumentation to be found under: http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition (disregard anything about dtml and zclasses, this are dying concepts)
ZClasses are deprecated as of zope 2.10.0 beta 1 (see CHANGES.txt).
DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept. ZPT and DTML are used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing components of Zope.
Jonathan
your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.
At the risk of feeding the troll...
One of the wonderful things (of which there are many!) about Zope, is that Zope provides a plethora of tools for building applications. Some people prefer certain tools over others. The choice of tool is less important than whether it meets the needs of the application.
If a Zope developer has a preference for one tool over another that is an internal choice, and I am sure that newcomers to Zope would be happy to hear the reasons for the tool selection. However, it is not helpful to disparage the other tools as newcomers to Zope may find them useful. Saying that certain features are 'dead' (which they are not in this particular instance) may scare newcomers away from that tool, and possibly away from Zope, which would not be helpful to the Zope community as a whole.
Zope is a fantastic web application development platform, and it is in our own best interests to ensure that newcomers are informed about all of the many features and solutions it offers.
Jonathan
jonathan, you are of course perfectly right. but tough DTML still exists it is dated and largely replaced by tal et al. all new developpment efforts go into this set of utilities. I strongly recommend any newcomer not to touch DTML unless she has to deal with some legacy code. (ZSQL does not count here). robert
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch>
DTML is NOT deprecated and is NOT a dying concept. ZPT and DTML are used by different people for different reasons; both technologies have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are viable, ongoing components of Zope.
Jonathan
your right Dtml is not dying. its dead.
At the risk of feeding the troll...
One of the wonderful things (of which there are many!) about Zope, is that Zope provides a plethora of tools for building applications. Some people prefer certain tools over others. The choice of tool is less important than whether it meets the needs of the application.
If a Zope developer has a preference for one tool over another that is an internal choice, and I am sure that newcomers to Zope would be happy to hear the reasons for the tool selection. However, it is not helpful to disparage the other tools as newcomers to Zope may find them useful. Saying that certain features are 'dead' (which they are not in this particular instance) may scare newcomers away from that tool, and possibly away from Zope, which would not be helpful to the Zope community as a whole.
Zope is a fantastic web application development platform, and it is in our own best interests to ensure that newcomers are informed about all of the many features and solutions it offers.
Jonathan
jonathan, you are of course perfectly right. but tough DTML still exists it is dated and largely replaced by tal et al. all new developpment efforts go into this set of utilities. I strongly recommend any newcomer not to touch DTML unless she has to deal with some legacy code. (ZSQL does not count here).
robert
No, DTML is perfect for sites with lower budget than price for Vignette. ZPT/TAL is great for really big sites with really big hardware and budget too. ZPT is great for sites with many changes of design per year, but you need graphics webstudio which does not crash your lovely template. But these studios are not as cheap as you want. If your budget (without hardware) is roughly as price for Vignette, then do that web with ZPT. Else use DTML. JL.
--On 15. Januar 2007 10:40:34 +0100 Jaroslav Lukesh <lukesh@seznam.cz> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "robert rottermann" <robert@redcor.ch> No, DTML is perfect for sites with lower budget than price for Vignette. ZPT/TAL is great for really big sites with really big hardware and budget too. ZPT is great for sites with many changes of design per year, but you need graphics webstudio which does not crash your lovely template. But these studios are not as cheap as you want. If your budget (without hardware) is roughly as price for Vignette, then do that web with ZPT. Else use DTML.
What has the budget to do with ZPT vs. DTML? That's really the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Do you want to tell us that the costs for writing ZPT code are higher than for writing unmaintainable DTML crap code? -aj
Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your ZPT template have >>10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios. DTML - lower cost of development ZPT - lower cost for design changes DTML - is possible to use cheaper webdesigners ZPT - hi-end web studios needed DTML - reasonable speed with no more tuning ZPT - needs power HW and/or performance tuning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Jung" <lists@zopyx.com> What has the budget to do with ZPT vs. DTML? That's really the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Do you want to tell us that the costs for writing ZPT code are higher than for writing unmaintainable DTML crap code? -aj
--On 15. Januar 2007 12:40:30 +0100 Jaroslav Lukesh <lukesh@seznam.cz> wrote:
Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your ZPT template have >>10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios.
DTML - lower cost of development ZPT - lower cost for design changes
DTML - is possible to use cheaper webdesigners ZPT - hi-end web studios needed
I've never seen a webdesigner delivering something in DTML or ZPT. The deliver usually (bad) HTML - nothing else. And it is up to the developer to fill the HTML with life.
DTML - reasonable speed with no more tuning ZPT - needs power HW and/or performance tuning
The performance of the underlying frameworks is much more important than looking only at the ZPT performance. -aj
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15 Jan 2007, at 12:40, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your ZPT template have >>10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios.
Sorry, that's complete BS. You're describing your own preferences and mindset, this is clearly not a statement grounded in fact. When I wrote DTML I used a text editor. Now I write mostly ZPT and guess what, I still use the same text editor. The tools have not changed at all for me. And even more important, this is true for almost every single developer I know - and I know a lot of them. There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any fancy HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFq20KRAx5nvEhZLIRAnjyAKCbvJpW3frCbbpug00bqx12DT72EgCggjpP vNnGYYatiXUcvvL1gW9XiAg= =H0EJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
From: "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens@dataflake.org>
Budget has to do, because writing of website with dtml is much faster than in zpt. And webdesigner studios that does not make crap from your ZPT template have >>10x more price level than PHP-like graphics studios.
Sorry, that's complete BS. You're describing your own preferences and mindset, this is clearly not a statement grounded in fact.
When I wrote DTML I used a text editor. Now I write mostly ZPT and guess what, I still use the same text editor. The tools have not changed at all for me. And even more important, this is true for almost every single developer I know - and I know a lot of them.
There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any fancy HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget.
Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team, where are the graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web system developers not only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the right choice. But if you are single or two, then it is really considerably chepaer to use DTML. JL.
Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team, where are the graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web system developers not only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the right choice. But if you are single or two, then it is really considerably chepaer to use DTML.
I find DTML to be more expensive, because I make more mistakes, more easily. I prefer ZPT, and we do not have a big dev team here. Sorry, just because you prefer DTML doesn't make it any cheaper to develop with it. -- Martijn Pieters
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15 Jan 2007, at 16:55, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote:
There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any fancy HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget.
Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team, where are the graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web system developers not only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the right choice. But if you are single or two, then it is really considerably chepaer to use DTML.
Still wrong. I work by myself most of the time. Sorry if you had bad experiences, but stop trying to sell some perception as fact. jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFq6ZMRAx5nvEhZLIRAhdpAKC4oWLlJw3YQlKie++kCzKPk7x8hwCfa7UN 65rMiB4H/XcEoFDsu6bk2kE= =qG7z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Jens Vagelpohl wrote at 2007-1-15 17:05 +0100:
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On 15 Jan 2007, at 16:55, Jaroslav Lukesh wrote: [JV]
There is no difference in speed or cost. You do not need any fancy HTML editor, and you do not need a big budget.
[JL]
Yes, but what if you have a part of a bigger development team, where are the graphics designer, web designer, web coders and web system developers not only single person, but many? Then ZPT is the right choice. But if you are single or two, then it is really considerably chepaer to use DTML.
[JV]
Still wrong. I work by myself most of the time.
Sorry if you had bad experiences, but stop trying to sell some perception as fact.
[DM] Are you doing the same? You are claiming above "there is no difference in speed and cost", but, depending on many things (most notably personal background and preferences) there may well be differences. -- Dieter
Hi Reena, All you have to do is move the folder with all those files to a folder named Products somewhere inside your zope instance. Then restart zope. CU Hugo On 1/14/07, Reena Karthikeyan <reenakarthikeyan@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place. However, please forgive me if I am doing something wrong.
I work as a software test engineer in the middle east and was looking for a good bug tracking tool and that is when I happened to find this site. I found Zope to be very useful and now my next( Most important) step is to start using the Issue Tracker tool. However, I am unable do so. The reason being that I do not exactly know what to do.
I have installed Zope 2.9.6 from the link below:
http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.9.6
and have downloaded issuetracker from : http://www.issuetrackerproduct.com/Download#IssueTrackerProduct
When I unzip issue tracker all I see is a bunch of gif files, dtml files, py and zpt files. I have no idea what to do next. Please help me out to use this tool at the earliest. Also I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with any kind of documentation available to carry out the same.
Thanks and Regards,
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*Dear All,*
* * *I am a new user of Zope. I am sure, all of you all are masters at using Zope. I am not sure if I am writing my query to the right place. However, please forgive me if I am doing something wrong. * **
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