[Doh... I don't read messages without subjects. Here 'tis again. Sorry.] Howdy all, I discovered something bizarre that happens in my 2.1.4 and 2.2b1 installations. I have a ZClass based on ObjectManager. In an instance of the ZClass, I can "Add" most of the available objects (DTML Documents, DTML Methods, User Folder, MailHost to name a few). However, for at least two items (TinyTable and ZMySQL DB Connection), when I add them, they show up in the container folder, not in the ZClass instance. Then, if I check it to delete it, it gives a "does not exist" error. Upon refreshing the container folder, the item still shows, but then I *can* delete it. Equally interesting is that I can Copy the item from the container folder and successfully Paste it into the ZClass instance. However, since ZMySQL DB Connections don't support Copy/Paste, that won't work. What's going on? Is it a problem with my ZClass, the Product manage_add, or Zope? Or me? _______________________ Ron Bickers Logic Etc, Inc. rbickers@logicetc.com