Re: [Zope] RE: CMF Newbie Presentation and Viewlet Info
And me prevents this funny technology from viewing the application because I do not want to download any binary plugin.
I thought that it does not need any plugin because it depents on a Java applet. When a java applet is a plugin for you ...
You will say: Just do not use such stupid browsers.
I will never say something like this, especially because I am trying to be a usability designer. Usability design is done for humans and not for browsers. When the Viewlet approach sucks for a lot of people, then I have to look for another solution. But you won't tell me that e.g. flash would be a solution, would you? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Of course it depends on the audience you're trying to reach etc, but FWIW, I nearly gave up trying to view it for the same reasons (mozilla). I'm really not a fan of java applets anyway..for example, it also didn't work on my colleague's win32/ie5.5 machine for some reason. I got it working on my linux / netscape but it was quite clunky and slow, and it took me a while to realise it was doing a 'live' demonstration. I'd clicked quite a few buttons in confusion before I got it. I'm not sure about the alternatives, though personally i'd say flash is a massive improvement over java. I'd also rather see mpegs, dhtml, or even a straight html slideshow than java. However, these things are fairly subjective, I think. Having said all this, I think the principle is a really good one, and something like this would be brilliant for demoing the CMF, so keep up the good work. seb * Stephan Goeldi <stephan_goeldi@hotmail.com> [011101 16:14]:
And me prevents this funny technology from viewing the application because I do not want to download any binary plugin.
I thought that it does not need any plugin because it depents on a Java applet. When a java applet is a plugin for you ...
You will say: Just do not use such stupid browsers.
I will never say something like this, especially because I am trying to be a
usability designer. Usability design is done for humans and not for browsers. When the Viewlet approach sucks for a lot of people, then I have to look for another solution. But you won't tell me that e.g. flash would be
a solution, would you?
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I got it working on my linux / netscape but it was quite clunky and slow, and it took me a while to realise it was doing a 'live' demonstration. I'd clicked quite a few buttons in confusion before I got it.
This is probably because I created it too large and slow. I will redo it in 800x600 resolution with faster change of the slides.
I'm not sure about the alternatives, though personally i'd say flash is a massive improvement over java.
For the client, yes. But the creation of Flash is too complicated if compared to these viewlets.
I'd also rather see mpegs
of about 80MB?
or even a straight html slideshow than java.
Yes, perhaps that would be the only really usable solution. But hard to demonstrate
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Stephan Goeldi wrote:
And me prevents this funny technology from viewing the application because I do not want to download any binary plugin.
I thought that it does not need any plugin because it depents on a Java applet. When a java applet is a plugin for you ... You have seen it yourself as you wrote in another mail. Some other browsers has trouble with it.
You will say: Just do not use such stupid browsers.
I will never say something like this, especially because I am trying to be a Well, perhaps I was a little bit rude when I read The posting of Allen J. Schmidt who obviousely loved your technique much more than I feeled apropriate for a thing I never hear about before (sorry for my ignorance) and which would not work with my browser.
usability designer. Usability design is done for humans and not for browsers. When the Viewlet approach sucks for a lot of people, then I have to look for another solution. I clearly see your problem, sorry if I was to harsh.
But you won't tell me that e.g. flash would be a solution, would you? For sure not! Sorry I have no imagination of your work and I can not tell whether it can go with plain html or if it really needs any advanced technique. Just take my mail as a hint: There are people out there which can´t run your presentation.
Kind regards Andreas.
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