Hi, I'm also trying to do this but I want to be able to create the user folders and users programmatically (with either python or zope). I can do this for the normal acl_users forlders but have had no success with CUF. Does anyone have any experience of this with CUF or CookieCrumbler or anything else? I must have a logout button as well. Any help would be gratefully received. Thanks Zahid On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 01:27:13PM -0500, Joel Burton wrote:

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Hi all, I'm a Zope really new user. I'm trying to writing a form to make users log in from a site page, without using the HTTP standard authentication window. How can I do this? What methods I have to recall and what paramteres I have to pass them?

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Install CookieCrumbler (for pure cookie authentication) or exUserFolder (for cookie authentication + database lookups of user data). Both of these are set up for you; you just have to customize the login/logout forms (in DTML).

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Many thanks I'll look at cookie crumbler because that would be ideal for my purposes although have played with exUserFolder before but couldn't get the forms working. That was a few revisions ago so things might have changed. Zahid On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 01:48:22PM -0500, Joel Burton wrote:

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Hi,

I'm also trying to do this but I want to be able to create the user folders and users programmatically (with either python or zope). I can do this for the normal acl_users forlders but have had no success with CUF.

Does anyone have any experience of this with CUF or CookieCrumbler or anything else? I must have a logout button as well.

Any help would be gratefully received.

Thanks

Zahid

CookieCrumbler isn't a replacement user-folder, it uses the standard acl_users ZODB user folder, so there should be no problem adding users normally.

Adding users works fine w/exUserFolder; there's a well-defined API to add users which is the same as the normal acl_users.

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That is very encouraging to here. If it is ok with you I think it would be useful for people if you could possibly post some code snippets showing exactly how you did the dtml methods. I know I would find this extremely useful and time saving. I will definetly be going down the CookieCrumbler route. I even emailed Jens (who wrote CUF) and he reccommended use using CookieCrumbler with a normal acl_user folder for this type of problem. Thanks for your time Zahid On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 09:35:23AM +0100, Antonio Beamud Montero wrote:

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Many thanks

I'll look at cookie crumbler because that would be ideal for my purposes although have played with exUserFolder before but couldn't get the forms working. That was a few revisions ago so things might have changed.

Cookie crumbler is very easy to configure and works fine. Only you need is to redefine the login_form.dtml, logged_in.dtml and logged_out.dtml and all works ok. I have defined this DTML methods in my own product and create an User Folder and a Cookie Crumbler (with its default login methods), after I create this login forms in the same folder that lives acl_user an Cookie crumbler and all works ok...

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On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Trevor Toenjes wrote:

This is a FAQ that I have never seen a good answer for... I have never found a how-to or any references to the API.

The best solutuion I have seen is to search for "User products" that implement their own way of doing things. (search for CookieCrumbler, XUF..etc.) And read the source. But this doesnt really help you with your question... "how to do it yourself."

IMHO, this is a shortcoming of Zope and since I am lobbying for this... :) Add your 2 cents in that "the acl_users API be extended for HTML login-forms, cookie auth, and extensible-properties-of-users" should be added to Z2.6. An API needs to be defined to deprecate all these user solutions that dont play well together.

Cheers, Trevor

Ummm... perhaps I'm missing something, but it's really quite easy with exUserFolder or CookieCrumbler. They provide login DTML forms and you can just customized them if you want to change their appearance. Don't have to get involved in the API at all to make this happen. I think that extensible-properties-of-users, non-ZODB-authentication, and cookie-auth are all things that should be moved into the core. I'd root for exUserFolder for this; it's very flexible about where the data is stored, and uses extensible-user-properties. -- Joel BURTON | joel@joelburton.com | joelburton.com | aim: wjoelburton Independent Knowledge Management Consultant

THe thing is I (and presumably others) want to have our custom forms to let others set-up users etc. For this we need the API. Exactly!! I currently have the need to build a custom HTML form based user management interface to allow a few people administer many users and their user-properties.

In the interests of the Zope-10x effort, I place HTML login forms in the Top 3 things every new user wants to try immediately. So let's add it to the core.