RE: [Zope] Zope Mailing List Software is hugely inconsistent!
Jon S. Jaques wrote:
Does anybody know what list software Zope is using?!?!? The headers of messages that I receive from the list are SOOOoooo inconsistent that they have defied my filters again and again!
If there's a moderator listening out there, please, do anything you can to rectify this! As I am subscribed to *several* high-volume lists, it's a serious problem when messages from the list continually land in my Inbox, along with my business-related email.
Zope.org uses mailman, of which i'm one of the core developers (though i basically haven't had time to continue with it since coming to digital creations). As far as i know mailman is RFC compliant, and in fact yours is the first complaint i've heard about being unable to filter due to inconsistent headers. (I'd be interested to see an example where the envelope sender differed.) I am *very* surprised that you're unable to make a rule that matches the [Zope] consistently. I have a suspicion that the problem, instead, is that such a match is an MS Exchange "client side" rule, which does not run when your outlook client is not running. Perhaps that accounts for the apparently unmatched items. If that's the case, i suggest concocting a rule that works client side - for exchange you have to bend over backwards a bit (and watch your rear:). For instance, if you add an entry to your address book with zope@zope.org email address, then you can specify that any items with to or cc headers matching that address go to some folder - that's a server side rule, and won't miss anything. If you're really convinced that mailman is doing the wrong thing, then bring it up on the mailman-developers@python.org mailing list. However, you may want to first check the appropriate rfc to confirm that. I believe it is correct for the mailing list mechanism to set the envelope sender to the address of the mailing list, for numerous reasons. I also believe mailman does this consistently, but would want to know if it doesn't. Ken Manheimer klm@digicool.com
Hello, I had to sign off of the Zope list; I was on vacation, and the messages were filling up my mailbox. When I tried to download them upon return, the mass of unfiltered messages overran me. I have since re-joined, but with the "batch", or digest, mode, instead. I guess this is what I see as the stickler: To my way of thinking, when I get messages from a list, they are "From: THE LIST". Not from users and developers that I've never met. Doesn't that make sense? That also encourages interaction with the list members, because a "normal" reply, from ANY mail client, will send to ONLY the list; You must do a "reply to all" in order to also send to the private addresses on the email. This is a Good Thing. I've added a new filter to Outlook, which MAY pick up the messages that differ enough to not be caught by my primary filter, based on some of the suggestions of the other list members. As regards the re-written headers... I'm starting to think that that is a mis-configuration on the Linux clients that are sending mail through their local Sendmail installations. What I'm seeing is stuff like this:
zope-admin@zope.org on behalf of Michel Pelletier [michel@digicool.com]; Anthony Baxter [anthony@interlink.com.au] on behalf of anthony@nextTelecom.com Martijn Faassen [m.faassen@vet.uu.nl] on behalf of Martijn.Faassen@vet.uu.nl
On the other hand, the zope-admin "variant" is the most common of them all; who is making that? And why wouldn't they all be that way? Is that due to somebody sending email directly from the server that the list is running on? And if so, what is wrong with the local config of the users' machines who are generating these headers? Why doesn't MailMan regulate these? I'm sorry I generated so much traffic on this topic, and I guess I could move it to the MailMan list if you agree that this is a MailMan problem/issue. (I'm not expert enough, IMHO, to make that statement alone, even though I think that there some facts that really make it seem that way.) Thanks much for your response! ------------------------------ -- Jon S. Jaques --------------- -- Systems Administrator ------- -- Network Publications, Inc. -- ------------------------------
-----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Ken Manheimer Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 7:47 PM To: 'Jon S. Jaques'; zope@zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope Mailing List Software is hugely inconsistent!
Jon S. Jaques wrote:
Does anybody know what list software Zope is using?!?!? The headers of messages that I receive from the list are SOOOoooo inconsistent that they have defied my filters again and again!
If there's a moderator listening out there, please, do anything you can to rectify this! As I am subscribed to *several* high-volume lists, it's a serious problem when messages from the list continually land in my Inbox, along with my business-related email.
Zope.org uses mailman, of which i'm one of the core developers (though i basically haven't had time to continue with it since coming to digital creations). As far as i know mailman is RFC compliant, and in fact yours is the first complaint i've heard about being unable to filter due to inconsistent headers. (I'd be interested to see an example where the envelope sender differed.)
I am *very* surprised that you're unable to make a rule that matches the [Zope] consistently. I have a suspicion that the problem, instead, is that such a match is an MS Exchange "client side" rule, which does not run when your outlook client is not running. Perhaps that accounts for the apparently unmatched items.
If that's the case, i suggest concocting a rule that works client side - for exchange you have to bend over backwards a bit (and watch your rear:). For instance, if you add an entry to your address book with zope@zope.org email address, then you can specify that any items with to or cc headers matching that address go to some folder - that's a server side rule, and won't miss anything.
If you're really convinced that mailman is doing the wrong thing, then bring it up on the mailman-developers@python.org mailing list. However, you may want to first check the appropriate rfc to confirm that. I believe it is correct for the mailing list mechanism to set the envelope sender to the address of the mailing list, for numerous reasons. I also believe mailman does this consistently, but would want to know if it doesn't.
Ken Manheimer klm@digicool.com
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