RE: [Zope] Zope installation woes
(Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 12:00:08PM -0400) zope-request@zope.org wrote/schrieb/egrapse:
From: "russ" <russ@russtik.co.uk> Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope installation woes
Firstly I'll just mention a little bit more about the server. We have cPanel and Apache running. There's a number of accounts setup in cPanel and
It appears that this is a production server. ... Jonathan wrote:
If zope is not running try starting zope with the command: ./zopectl fg this should allow you to see any errors that are generated while zope tries to start up.
good advice ... russ wrote:
I can't see anything relating to zope specifically & running the zopect1 command results in this:
root@server [/usr/local/zope/instance3/bin]# /usr/local/zope/instance3/bin/zopect1 fg -bash: /usr/local/zope/instance3/bin/zopect1: No such file or directory
... later Jonathan replied:
Don't give up!
And now my point: Jonathan, I disagree here. Russ, you are running a command you don't know about (and you don't even care enough to check the spelling) as *root* on a *production* server. Please notify the servers administrator and/or owner about this. You shouldn't be allowed near a root prompt. At least till you've done your homework to the extend that you pay attention before doing anything as root. Besides, nobody told you to do this as root. When giving commands as root, you can destroy everything that is on that server. For starters try it with `rm -rf /`. Why don't you try the installation first on a test machine or personal workstation? We all have to learn stuff first, but a production server isn't a learning environment. Nowadays it is *very* easy to get a Unix clone system to play around with. There is also documentation to be found about Zope and System Administration in general, for free on the Internet. [Stepping down from Soap Box] Have a nice day + Regards, Sascha
I agree Sascha, I would prefer to much more grounded in the ways of the command line before attempting this stuff. I'm trying to get this running as I was hoping that it wouldn't be too involved and would be able to get busy creating Plone sites. I don't have the luxury of time to learn more about this in general beforehand and so made the decision to learn "on the job" as it were. You may see this as foolish, and it probably is, but I entered into this hoping that I wouldn't have to get my hands too dirty. I now find myself in uncharted territory, not wanting to turn back. So do you think I should throw in the towel now? -----Original Message----- From: zope-bounces@zope.org [mailto:zope-bounces@zope.org] On Behalf Of Sascha Welter Sent: 06 July 2006 10:14 To: zope@zope.org Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope installation woes (Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 12:00:08PM -0400) zope-request@zope.org wrote/schrieb/egrapse:
From: "russ" <russ@russtik.co.uk> Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope installation woes
Firstly I'll just mention a little bit more about the server. We have cPanel and Apache running. There's a number of accounts setup in cPanel and
It appears that this is a production server. ... Jonathan wrote:
If zope is not running try starting zope with the command: ./zopectl fg this should allow you to see any errors that are generated while zope tries to start up.
good advice ... russ wrote:
I can't see anything relating to zope specifically & running the zopect1 command results in this:
root@server [/usr/local/zope/instance3/bin]# /usr/local/zope/instance3/bin/zopect1 fg -bash: /usr/local/zope/instance3/bin/zopect1: No such file or directory
... later Jonathan replied:
Don't give up!
And now my point: Jonathan, I disagree here. Russ, you are running a command you don't know about (and you don't even care enough to check the spelling) as *root* on a *production* server. Please notify the servers administrator and/or owner about this. You shouldn't be allowed near a root prompt. At least till you've done your homework to the extend that you pay attention before doing anything as root. Besides, nobody told you to do this as root. When giving commands as root, you can destroy everything that is on that server. For starters try it with `rm -rf /`. Why don't you try the installation first on a test machine or personal workstation? We all have to learn stuff first, but a production server isn't a learning environment. Nowadays it is *very* easy to get a Unix clone system to play around with. There is also documentation to be found about Zope and System Administration in general, for free on the Internet. [Stepping down from Soap Box] Have a nice day + Regards, Sascha _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
----- Original Message ----- From: "russ" <russ@russtik.co.uk> To: "'Sascha Welter'" <zopelist@betabug.ch>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: RE: [Zope] Zope installation woes
I agree Sascha, I would prefer to much more grounded in the ways of the command line before attempting this stuff. I'm trying to get this running as I was hoping that it wouldn't be too involved and would be able to get busy creating Plone sites. I don't have the luxury of time to learn more about this in general beforehand and so made the decision to learn "on the job" as it were. You may see this as foolish, and it probably is, but I entered into this hoping that I wouldn't have to get my hands too dirty. I now find myself in uncharted territory, not wanting to turn back.
So do you think I should throw in the towel now?
If you only have one server available and if it is a production server, then you need to think about the ramifications of crashing that server. 'Production server' means different things to different organizations, and if no-one is going to be screaming at you if you kill the server then carry on! However, if your organization takes a dim view of production server downtime, then I would caution you against proceeding! You don't need to be a linux expert to install zope, but you do need at least a rudimentary understanding of how linux works and how some basic commands work. I would recommend spending some time reading the intro chapters of some linux documentation (you can find some at http://www.linux.org/docs/, and there is a good doc at: http://www.centos.org/docs/4/html/rhel-rg-en-4/) - it may seem like a waste of time, but it will save you time and aggravation in the future. If you do not want to spend the time on linux/zope and you just want to 'get working', you could look at some of the zope hosting companies (they already have zope up and running, and they look after maintaining the 'infrastructure', which lets you focus on your application). Jonathan
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