It's great to have the Roadmap. Where are things going with LoginManager? The PTK/CMF uses it, right? If this is such a core product, does it make sense to change the core security model? Sorry if this is a stupid question. I'm a Zope newbie, looking at it more as a general development app server (as opposed to content management tool). And I'd like to learn the "best" way first, rather than having to learn both, pick one, then rewrite all my old stuff! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/