If I'm using a whole page macro, here seems to refer to the object containing the macro rather than the object using the macro. If I'm trying to construct a <title/>, I'd like to do something like this: $site : $page E.g., foo.com : about But if I do this: <title tal:content="python:'%s : %s' % (container.title_or_id(), here.title_or_id())"></title> both of these resolve to---oops, now I suspect I've found a bug. Both of them resolve to the title or id of the Root folder. I wonder if this is because I'm using a VirtualHostMonster? /Root (title: foo.com) master_html index_html In the above scenario, I get <title>foo.com : foo.com</title>. // mark -