This is not to start a religious war or anything like it and this is probably not the right list to post this too. I am a zope developer who as most of us fell in luv with zope then python. My luck in running out as I am being driven to use kylix instead of zope for web developement. I have heard kylix is good for cross platform application developement but slacks in web apps. I have seen the codes in kylix n oh wow man from the surface it looks like zope is so much simplier. Personally I choose zope over kylix but I need a comparison of some sort to maybe prolong my stay in the zope realm. thanx, archer
Can't answer here. Even if I choose to download the software and install it to make comparisons, (like everybody here is used to), I'm using Zope in a WinX box, developing for the look and feel of our users' OSs (wich happen to be all WinX of some sort), expecting to move the final application to Linux at later stages of development. If you get to know more about Kylix, please post here the information you gather, so that we'll try to find the way to exceed the features you appreciate more. After my personal research, I'm stuck on Zope because of its unique, python-based, OBD supported, and portal-friendly architecture. Ausum Jason Ooi wrote:
This is not to start a religious war or anything like it and this is probably not the right list to post this too. I am a zope developer who as most of us fell in luv with zope then python. My luck in running out as I am being driven to use kylix instead of zope for web developement. I have heard kylix is good for cross platform application developement but slacks in web apps. I have seen the codes in kylix n oh wow man from the surface it looks like zope is so much simplier. Personally I choose zope over kylix but I need a comparison of some sort to maybe prolong my stay in the zope realm.
thanx, archer
Comparing Zope to Kylix is like comparing an automobile with a powerboat. The only similary is that both are vehicles, but they are designed for completely different purposes. Kylix does not provide anything like ZODB, the ZMI (Zope Management Interface), the sophisticated permissions machinery, a search engine like ZCatalog, web-based development tools like ZClasses, ZSQLMethods etc. The programming language of Kylix, Object Pascal, is much lower level than Python and even Java, since it does not provide automatic garbage collection, AFAIK (you must manage memory by hand, like in C). You will have to write a lot of code to do many things that are simple with DTML or Python Scripts. And you will have to write a lot more code to develop anything close to any the features of Zope that I just mentioned (ZODB, ZMI, permissions, ZCatalog, ZClasses, ZSQLMethods). However, if I needed to develop a desktop application with a very rich and interactive GUI, like a specialized editor, a game or a real-time graphic display for some data-aquisition hardware, I would certainly choose Kylix over Zope or any other tool that used a web browser as a client-side interface. Really, there is no comparison between Zope and Kylix. And that does not imply any superiority by one over the other. They are just completely different beasts. You could compare Python and Kylix, or Zope and WebObjects, but that's another story... Regards, Luciano Jason Ooi wrote:
This is not to start a religious war or anything like it and this is probably not the right list to post this too. I am a zope developer who as most of us fell in luv with zope then python. My luck in running out as I am being driven to use kylix instead of zope for web developement. I have heard kylix is good for cross platform application developement but slacks in web apps. I have seen the codes in kylix n oh wow man from the surface it looks like zope is so much simplier. Personally I choose zope over kylix but I need a comparison of some sort to maybe prolong my stay in the zope realm.
thanx, archer
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morning, i know comparing zope and kylix would b exactly like how u described, no doubt bout that, but ur following comments are the ones i need, i only mean to compare zope n kylix from the web enabled apps point of view. Would it b easier if it's done in zope / kylix? would kylix cut productivity time? thanx for the thoughts, archer On Wednesday 18 July 2001 22:20, you wrote:
Comparing Zope to Kylix is like comparing an automobile with a powerboat. The only similary is that both are vehicles, but they are designed for completely different purposes.
Kylix does not provide anything like ZODB, the ZMI (Zope Management Interface), the sophisticated permissions machinery, a search engine like ZCatalog, web-based development tools like ZClasses, ZSQLMethods etc.
The programming language of Kylix, Object Pascal, is much lower level than Python and even Java, since it does not provide automatic garbage collection, AFAIK (you must manage memory by hand, like in C). You will have to write a lot of code to do many things that are simple with DTML or Python Scripts. And you will have to write a lot more code to develop anything close to any the features of Zope that I just mentioned (ZODB, ZMI, permissions, ZCatalog, ZClasses, ZSQLMethods).
However, if I needed to develop a desktop application with a very rich and interactive GUI, like a specialized editor, a game or a real-time graphic display for some data-aquisition hardware, I would certainly choose Kylix over Zope or any other tool that used a web browser as a client-side interface.
Really, there is no comparison between Zope and Kylix. And that does not imply any superiority by one over the other. They are just completely different beasts. You could compare Python and Kylix, or Zope and WebObjects, but that's another story...
Regards,
Luciano
Jason Ooi wrote:
This is not to start a religious war or anything like it and this is probably not the right list to post this too. I am a zope developer who as most of us fell in luv with zope then python. My luck in running out as I am being driven to use kylix instead of zope for web developement. I have heard kylix is good for cross platform application developement but slacks in web apps. I have seen the codes in kylix n oh wow man from the surface it looks like zope is so much simplier. Personally I choose zope over kylix but I need a comparison of some sort to maybe prolong my stay in the zope realm.
thanx, archer
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Hi, --On Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2001 09:36 +0800 Jason Ooi <archer@maxis.net.my> wrote:
morning,
i know comparing zope and kylix would b exactly like how u described, no doubt bout that, but ur following comments are the ones i need, i only mean to compare zope n kylix from the web enabled apps point of view. Would it b easier if it's done in zope / kylix? would kylix cut productivity time?
As I read it below, it does not cut time in developing web applications. This is quite obvious, isnt it? Regards Tino
thanx for the thoughts, archer
On Wednesday 18 July 2001 22:20, you wrote:
Comparing Zope to Kylix is like comparing an automobile with a powerboat. The only similary is that both are vehicles, but they are designed for completely different purposes.
Kylix does not provide anything like ZODB, the ZMI (Zope Management Interface), the sophisticated permissions machinery, a search engine like ZCatalog, web-based development tools like ZClasses, ZSQLMethods etc.
The programming language of Kylix, Object Pascal, is much lower level than Python and even Java, since it does not provide automatic garbage collection, AFAIK (you must manage memory by hand, like in C). You will have to write a lot of code to do many things that are simple with DTML or Python Scripts. And you will have to write a lot more code to develop anything close to any the features of Zope that I just mentioned (ZODB, ZMI, permissions, ZCatalog, ZClasses, ZSQLMethods).
However, if I needed to develop a desktop application with a very rich and interactive GUI, like a specialized editor, a game or a real-time graphic display for some data-aquisition hardware, I would certainly choose Kylix over Zope or any other tool that used a web browser as a client-side interface.
Really, there is no comparison between Zope and Kylix. And that does not imply any superiority by one over the other. They are just completely different beasts. You could compare Python and Kylix, or Zope and WebObjects, but that's another story...
Regards,
Luciano
Jason Ooi wrote:
This is not to start a religious war or anything like it and this is probably not the right list to post this too. I am a zope developer who as most of us fell in luv with zope then python. My luck in running out as I am being driven to use kylix instead of zope for web developement. I have heard kylix is good for cross platform application developement but slacks in web apps. I have seen the codes in kylix n oh wow man from the surface it looks like zope is so much simplier. Personally I choose zope over kylix but I need a comparison of some sort to maybe prolong my stay in the zope realm.
thanx, archer
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* Jason Ooi <archer@maxis.net.my> [2001-07-18 05:32]:
driven to use kylix instead of zope for web developement. I have heard kylix
Ask this question: do you really want to bet the company on Borland? If they go out of business (they had their share of financial problems), what will happen to your web apps? Cheers, Nils
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