Zope.org is soooooo slow.
Zope.org is slow as hell. A couple of days a week at least. It doesn't exactly work in favor for Zope when I try to show of Zope.org to friends, collegues or potential customers and the site won't even respond. Argh! Why is it so slow? Do something about it!
Umm.. what makes you say it is slow? It popped up just as fast as Microsoft.com and Apple.com this morning (with each page after even faster). Might be your connection. Certainly not slow from here (NYC, DSL) J
From: Erik Enge <erik@esol.no> Organization: EMM Solutions Date: 31 Aug 2000 14:45:15 +0200 To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] Zope.org is soooooo slow.
Zope.org is slow as hell. A couple of days a week at least. It doesn't exactly work in favor for Zope when I try to show of Zope.org to friends, collegues or potential customers and the site won't even respond. Argh!
Why is it so slow? Do something about it!
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[J. Atwood] | Umm.. what makes you say it is slow? It popped up just as fast as | Microsoft.com and Apple.com this morning (with each page after even | faster). It _was_ slow. | Might be your connection. Certainly not slow from here (NYC, DSL) No. I check a zillion other sites; they were fast and responsive. The Zope.org site is back up again now. At one point, just before it came back to life, it reported a Proxy error.
Erik Enge wrote:
[J. Atwood]
| Umm.. what makes you say it is slow? It popped up just as fast as | Microsoft.com and Apple.com this morning (with each page after even | faster).
It _was_ slow.
The main problem is that *nothing* on zope.org is cacheable. Therefore, any intermittent slowdown between you & codeit is going to hurt. Short term, we will soon have a mirror of zope.org, which should reduce the possibility of slowdown. At some point in the future, there'll be more fine-grained caching availiable, at which time all the pages that can be cached will be, which should speed up Zope.org's percieved performance.
| Might be your connection. Certainly not slow from here (NYC, DSL)
No. I check a zillion other sites; they were fast and responsive.
The Zope.org site is back up again now. At one point, just before it came back to life, it reported a Proxy error.
Zope fell over and died due to a database error. We're beginning to suspect that there may be hardware issues. We'll keep this list (or zope-web) posted on the details. -- ethan mindlace fremen Zopatista Community Liason Abnegate I!
ethan mindlace fremen wrote:
Short term, we will soon have a mirror of zope.org, which should reduce the possibility of slowdown.
What kind of mirroring? Something static, or something clever using ZEO? -- Steve Alexander Software Engineer Cat-Box limited http://www.cat-box.net
Steve Alexander wrote:
What kind of mirroring?
Something static, or something clever using ZEO?
AFAIK, ZEO doesn't currently have a distributed storage system, so anything other than a static mirror is still going to share a point of failure with Zope.org... That said, threads on the lists suggest that Zope sucks when you try to mirror it statically :( What to do? ;-) Chris
(sorry for jumping in here) [Chris Withers] | What to do? ;-) It might not be interesting, but what I would really like is a complete mirror of documentation and products up and running all the time. That could be done statically, even without Zope if it sucks that much. (Although, I can't see why it would in such a situation.)
Erik Enge wrote:
It might not be interesting, but what I would really like is a complete mirror of documentation and products up and running all the time. That could be done statically, even without Zope if it sucks that much. (Although, I can't see why it would in such a situation.)
You misunderstand how Zoep sucks ;-) The problem is making the mirror. I've seen quite a few postings describing how the common mirroring tools don't do a very good job of mirroring Zope sites, because of things like that BASE tag abomination and the confusion about what objects a file-system like 'folders' and what objects aren't. Anyone knwo of a tool that _does_ mirror Zope well? cheers, Chris
Erik Enge wrote:
[J. Atwood]
| Umm.. what makes you say it is slow? It popped up just as fast as | Microsoft.com and Apple.com this morning (with each page after even | faster).
It _was_ slow.
Next time www.zope.org appears to be slow, try accessing www.codeit.com as well since the two are hosted in the same location AFAIK. If there is a problem, report it to zope-web@zope.org and remember to include the exact time and time zone. BTW there have been some outages due to misconfiguration and network problems. Shane
On Fri, 01 Sep 2000, J. Atwood wrote:
Umm.. what makes you say it is slow? It popped up just as fast as Microsoft.com and Apple.com this morning (with each page after even faster).
Might be your connection. Certainly not slow from here (NYC, DSL)
J
I have to agree with Erik... Sometimes (much of the time) it comes through just fine. But on some days (and it does seem to last just the day) it's slower than a wet weekend. Saying it works fine for you isn't really all that fair, since you are in the same country. What would be interesting to know is WHY it gets slow. If it really is something beyond their control, perhaps mirror sites? Have a better one, Curtis.
Curtis Maloney wrote:
Sometimes (much of the time) it comes through just fine. But on some days (and it does seem to last just the day) it's slower than a wet weekend. What would be interesting to know is WHY it gets slow.
This might help explain it:
I noticed this also, it appears from the logs that we're being crawled by about 7 different bots. I guess popularity has its price...
-- - Matthew Burleigh - Systems Administrator, Digital Creations - publishers of Zope. - (888)344-4332 -- http://www.digicool.com - http://www.zope.org
Maybe it's be possible to have some sort of 'current load indicator' in the standard_html_footer on zope.org? Matt mentioned a quick hack:
watch "netstat -an | grep "1380" -c"
Averages around 140, since I've been watchin for last couple mins....
I wonder if something similar could be bent to the job?
If it really is something beyond their control, perhaps mirror sites?
Well, NIP would be happy to do this, but, as you may or may not know, Zope doesn't mirror very well :-( cheers, Chris
Erik Enge wrote:
Zope.org is slow as hell. A couple of days a week at least. It doesn't exactly work in favor for Zope when I try to show of Zope.org to friends, collegues or potential customers and the site won't even respond. Argh!
Why is it so slow? Do something about it!
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Zope.org is free as hell. Why don't you get creative and donate something to the effort and stop bitching. If you need to make pictures with words it means that you don't have a grasp on basic reality and attempt to shuttle form into desire. It's childish - sooooooooooo childish. Here's a solution - why don't you find out if you can mirror the site somehow. Why is it so free? Do something about it! J.P. Racine Thot Networks admin@thot.net
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