Does anyone know what the timescale is for Zope 3 packages being put together for Debian? I have a project I'd like to work on, and I suspect that Zope 3 is a better bet than Zope 2 --- but Zope 3's not out yet. Is it worth waiting or should I just go for Zope 2? (No, I don't want to install Zope 3 manually. It's sufficiently large and sufficiently complex that it'd be a dependency nightmare.) -- +- David Given --McQ-+ "...thus there might be a great reduction in | dg@cowlark.com | useless expenditure on Nuclear rockets, reducing | (dg@tao-group.com) | inflation and stabilising the price of cat foods." +- www.cowlark.com --+ --- UK pat. GB1426698
--On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2005 18:20 Uhr +0100 David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
(No, I don't want to install Zope 3 manually. It's sufficiently large and sufficiently complex that it'd be a dependency nightmare.)
You just need Python 2.3.5 and the Z3 sources. Typing "make" is trivial :-) -aj
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--On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2005 18:20 Uhr +0100 David Given <dg@cowlark.com> wrote:
(No, I don't want to install Zope 3 manually. It's sufficiently large and sufficiently complex that it'd be a dependency nightmare.)
You just need Python 2.3.5 and the Z3 sources. Typing "make" is trivial :-)
Assuming a standard build environment (make, gcc, etc.), 'zlib' is the only one which typically bites me on a new machine -- Python will build in its absence, but ZODB won't. If you like, it would be sufficient to install the builddeps of zope2.7 Debian package first: the only bits of Zope3 which depend on anything other than Python will be satisfied by the same packages. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCilox+gerLs4ltQ4RAnnpAJ4yjW/piR+yZo2kVBDeRhzqfKg6jwCfdMXX poPAe1AUcXJVKPlRvUE3AAo= =jpmU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
[Tres Seaver]
Assuming a standard build environment (make, gcc, etc.), 'zlib' is the only one which typically bites me on a new machine -- Python will build in its absence, but ZODB won't.
What's that about? The only part of ZODB that uses zlib/gzip is the repozo.py backup script.
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[Tres Seaver]
Assuming a standard build environment (make, gcc, etc.), 'zlib' is the only one which typically bites me on a new machine -- Python will build in its absence, but ZODB won't.
What's that about? The only part of ZODB that uses zlib/gzip is the repozo.py backup script.
Hmm, I don't know; I was basing it on a memory of building out a ZEO storage server on a "bare bones" Unix box, and having something during the build / startup phase barf, complaining about the absence of zlib. Perhaps I conflated two memories. I'm pretty sure that *something* in the Zope codebase requires zlib, but I take Tim's word for it that I wrongly attributed that dependency to ZODB. Tres. - -- =================================================================== Tres Seaver tseaver@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design" http://palladion.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCil+D+gerLs4ltQ4RAns2AJ4nC5hROXP9ym/CZsIFuX93mee6pQCgr7tj 2NVP9Is7R4fjGcygCc0RhPM= =6zJk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On May 17, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
Perhaps I conflated two memories. I'm pretty sure that *something* in the Zope codebase requires zlib, but I take Tim's word for it that I wrongly attributed that dependency to ZODB.
At one point, our system administration staff commissioned machines in the barest of bare bones fashions, and zlib was one of the things that wasn't installed unless specifically requested. I have had also spent time building python and Zope just to have Zope complain about zlib on startup. There are at least a couple of places that I can think of on the Zope side that require zlib, the HTTP server needs it to handle "content-encoding: gzip" responses.
[Tim]
What's that about? The only part of ZODB that uses zlib/gzip is the repozo.py backup script.
[Tres]
Hmm, I don't know; I was basing it on a memory of building out a ZEO storage server on a "bare bones" Unix box, and having something during the build / startup phase barf, complaining about the absence of zlib.
Perhaps I conflated two memories. I'm pretty sure that *something* in the Zope codebase requires zlib, but I take Tim's word for it that I wrongly attributed that dependency to ZODB.
I didn't say you were wrong, I just asked what this was about ;-) I bet it has something to do with this msg pumped out by Zope's inst/configure.py if "import zlib" fails: """ The Python interpreter you are using does not appear to have the 'zlib' library module installed. For Zope to be able to run, you must install a Python interpreter which includes the zlib module, or install the zlib library into your Python interpreter manually. The file which represents the library is named 'zlib.so' (UNIX) or 'zlib.dll' (Windows) and is typically located in the 'lib-dynload' directory of your Python's library directory. Some Python packagers ship the zlib module as a separate installable binary. If you are using a system-provided Python installation, you may want to look for a 'python-zlib' package (or something like it) and install it to make the Python zlib module available to Zope. Run the configure script with the --ignore-zlib option to prevent this warning with the understanding that Zope will not start properly until you've installed the zlib module. """ zlib is imported by 10 other Zope modules then. Think this one is nailed <wink>.
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 06:20:22PM +0100, David Given wrote: | Does anyone know what the timescale is for Zope 3 packages being put together | for Debian? This is unforeseeable without someone stepping up to do the work. | I have a project I'd like to work on, and I suspect that Zope 3 | is a better bet than Zope 2 It is, IMO. | --- but Zope 3's not out yet I'm not even sure of the quality of the zope 2 package in debian. A couple developers recently started taking over the packages and fixing them up. I'm sure their doing a good job (and I hope they keep it up), but I don't know how close to "done" they are (ie things may change or be reorganized, or you might deviate sufficiently that it would be easier to work from the zope.org source). | Is it worth waiting | or should I just go for Zope 2? Don't wait, unless you're the one to do the packaging work. | (No, I don't want to install Zope 3 manually. It's sufficiently large and | sufficiently complex that it'd be a dependency nightmare.) As Andreas pointed out, it is really quite simple and not a nightmare. Furthermore, if you want to have some help from the packaging system, create a dummy package using 'equivs' to depend on the system components your z3 application will need. HTH, -D -- In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14:2-3 www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
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