I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader. I hope there is no hesitation over making a PDF version available because of fear it will cut into sales of the bound volume. I think it would be just the opposite. I can easily think of examples (the original Tcl/Tk book comes first to mind) where the printed copy closed the sale of the bound volume for me. I'll be purchasing multiple copies of the Zope book for my shop regardless. (I tried to no avail to do a pre-order from OReilly's set yesterday :) Getting a chance to proof an early version and perhaps contribute to making it better only increases my desire to purchase the eventual publication. -- Tim Lynch Information Technology Section A. R. Mann Library Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853 tim.lynch@cornell.edu 607.255.9570
"Jason Cunliffe" <jasonic@nomadicsltd.com> writes:
----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Withers <chrisw@nipltd.com>
Kinda tough to check out/read/find mistakes in a book that's only available as a set of html pages that aren't full text searchable....
This is a really good point.
Just as open source benefits from real-time peer review, so do manuscripts get better when fresh eyes and minds and go over them.
How about 'releasing' a PDF / HTML Doc with header/footers clearly marked: 'Preview Review copy for Copy-Editing use only. Not for general public or commercial distribution'
I like this suggestion. There are three of us (ranging from novice to pretty experienced) here that were planning to print out copies of PDF and go over them at home, none of us has the time to sit at work and read/review the whole thing on a web browser.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader.
If you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat (you have to pay for it, as opposed to the free Reader) you can "Capture" web pages into a PDF. I created a PDF of the Zope Book beta to read on the train today. PDFs created in this way are full text searchable :-) From what people are saying I don't think I can redistribute the PDF I have created :-( However, if you have Acrobat, you can make one yourself :-) BTW the book was very useful, I'll be recommending it when it comes out.... Simon -- --------- My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs ---------- Simon J. Coles Email: simon@nipltd.com New Information Paradigms Work Phone: +44 1344 753703 http://www.nipltd.com/ Work Fax: +44 1344 753742 =============== Life is too precious to take seriously ===============
Simon Coles wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader.
If you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat (you have to pay for it, as opposed to the free Reader) you can "Capture" web pages into a PDF. I created a PDF of the Zope Book beta to read on the train today. PDFs created in this way are full text searchable :-)
Well, that is not exactly the point - anybody can use, e.g., htmldoc (a very fine tool from www.easysw.com, which is not a big moneydrain as Adobe distiller is). The point in favor of a semi-official draft copy PDF is that it gives us a common reference frame for reviews and feedback. The PDF would mean everybody has the same page and line numbers, while HTML has no such concept. Hmmm. It would be pretty easy to cook up a script to number all the <P> tags and include that number in the HTML as comments or, even better, anchors so you can directly link to a paragraph). Of course this makes sense only if it is done consistently, i.e., at the source. That would certainly be fine with O'Reilly. Cheers, Jan
Tim Lynch wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with Jason and Chris. I would very much appreciate a PDF version that could be easily printed, or read with Adobe's Reader. I hope there is no hesitation over making a PDF version available because of fear it will cut into sales of the bound volume. I think it would be just the opposite. I can easily think of examples (the original Tcl/Tk book comes first to mind) where the printed copy closed the sale of the bound volume for me.
I do not know what the reasons is. I do know that when the book hits the shelf, it will go under an open content license and we will be free to distribute it in a myriad of flavors and you will have the freedom to do with it what you please (according to the license).
I'll be purchasing multiple copies of the Zope book for my shop regardless.
Thanks. ;) -Michel
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