[Note: I assume posts can't be made using the egroups web post form? I see the note that it is a remote list, but if posts never work maybe a note specifically stating it is an archive only should be displayed?] Hi, Yesterday I saw a demo of an Intranet package a company wants the company I work for to resell. It looks like a nice little package but very expensive for the functionality available. I'm sure Zope can be setup to do everything this can do but I want to ask how difficult it would be to create myself and if any current packages exist that have the same or similar functionality. The features (or limitations) of the package I saw are: * Runs on Windows NT/2000 only. (Zope can + many others) * Uses MS IIS only (I believe Zope can use IIS + built in web server + others) * Uses MS SQL Server (I believe Zope can + built in DB + others) * Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package. * Has good security system allowing users to belong to groups which "may" have different content. Also managers have profiles allowing the restriction of content and actions performed. * Has a news module with multiple classes of news. * Has a basic calendar system. * Has a basic messaging system. * Has a basic knowledge base ... allows free format text to be entered and later searched. * Allows external documents to be loaded associated with a group where keywords can be manually entered. These documents can then be opened or downloaded if users have correct permissions. * Basically all content added can be added to specific groups, and if you don't have access that that group you don't have access to that content. There are probably a few things I missed but you get the idea. The cost thrown up in the air was in the order of $AUS20,000 for a 3 year rental, per site!!!! (At the moment that is about $US35,000) When you start talking dozens of sites you quickly start looking for alternatives! My initial thought was Zope, I knew it existed and assumed with a good design and few months work a could produce similar results with a fraction of the costs. Okay, sorry for the long email ... my questions ... Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar functionality to what I have quickly described? If I had to build something like this myself would Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would be since I'm on a Zope list!) How long (rough estimate) would something like this take to develop for a Zope newbie? (Assume say 10 viewable screens and 10-20 maintenance screens with 5-30 fields per screen. I have programming (Cobol, VB, etc), HTML, DB and analysis experience) Thanks for reading so far and thanks for any responses. Ray Smith
hi there Smith Ray schrieb:
* Runs on Windows NT/2000 only. (Zope can + many others) yes
* Uses MS IIS only (I believe Zope can use IIS + built in web server + others)
apache, zserver, iis
* Uses MS SQL Server (I believe Zope can + built in DB + others)
zope with mysql, postgresql, informix, ...
* Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package.
product: IEMethod wysiwyg even in internet explorer. really great! check it out
* Has good security system allowing users to belong to groups which "may" have different content. Also managers have profiles allowing the restriction of content and actions performed.
no problem
* Has a news module with multiple classes of news.
products: ZDocumentStore, ...
* Has a basic calendar system.
products: EventFolder (very powerfull), EvTracker (very simple)
* Has a basic messaging system.
* Has a basic knowledge base ... allows free format text to be entered and later searched.
"Catalog"
* Allows external documents to be loaded associated with a group where keywords can be manually entered. These documents can then be opened or downloaded if users have correct permissions.
easy to realize i assume
* Basically all content added can be added to specific groups, and if you don't have access that that group you don't have access to that content.
right (roles, users, acl-user-folders)
There are probably a few things I missed but you get the idea.
The cost thrown up in the air was in the order of $AUS20,000 for a 3 year rental, per site!!!! (At the moment that is about $US35,000) When you start talking dozens of sites you quickly start looking for alternatives!
they must be jokeing
My initial thought was Zope, I knew it existed and assumed with a good design and few months work a could produce similar results with a fraction of the costs.
Okay, sorry for the long email ... my questions ...
Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar functionality to what I have quickly described?
just go create it, 4 weeks and you know how it goes.
If I had to build something like this myself would Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would be since I'm on a Zope list!)
absolutely
How long (rough estimate) would something like this take to develop for a Zope newbie? (Assume say 10 viewable screens and 10-20 maintenance screens with 5-30 fields per screen. I have programming (Cobol, VB, etc), HTML, DB and analysis experience)
about 3 months to make it decent olaf -- soli-con Engineering Zanger Dipl.-Ing. (FH) Olaf Marc Zanger Lorrainestrasse 23 3013 Bern / Switzerland Fon: +41-31-332 9782 Mob: +41-76-572 9782 mailto:info@soli-con.com mailto:olaf.zanger@soli-con.com http://www.soli-con.com
At 1/9/01 08:33 AM, Olaf Zanger wrote:
Smith Ray schrieb:
* Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package. product: IEMethod wysiwyg even in internet explorer. really great! check it out
I give up, what and where is IEMethod? Zope.org search turns up nothing. -- Dennis Nichols nichols@tradingconnections.com
Try searching for "Internet Explorer" in Software release search. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Nichols" <nichols@tradingconnections.com> To: <olaf.zanger@soli-con.com>; "Zope Mailinglist" <zope@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: [Zope] IEMethod (was: Can Zope ... )
At 1/9/01 08:33 AM, Olaf Zanger wrote:
Smith Ray schrieb:
* Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package. product: IEMethod wysiwyg even in internet explorer. really great! check it out
I give up, what and where is IEMethod? Zope.org search turns up nothing.
-- Dennis Nichols nichols@tradingconnections.com
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Does http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/ZIE/ZIE-demo fit the bill? Paul --On 09 January 2001 15:07 +0000 peter bengtson <peter@grenna.net> wrote:
Try searching for "Internet Explorer" in Software release search.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Nichols" <nichols@tradingconnections.com> To: <olaf.zanger@soli-con.com>; "Zope Mailinglist" <zope@zope.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: [Zope] IEMethod (was: Can Zope ... )
At 1/9/01 08:33 AM, Olaf Zanger wrote:
Smith Ray schrieb:
* Allows non technical people to create content plus add users / managers etc without any HTML knowledge or knowledge outside of the package. product: IEMethod wysiwyg even in internet explorer. really great! check it out
I give up, what and where is IEMethod? Zope.org search turns up nothing.
-- Dennis Nichols nichols@tradingconnections.com
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Try searching for "Internet Explorer" in Software release search.
Try searching for "Internet Explorer" in Software release search.
I give up, what and where is IEMethod? Zope.org search turns up nothing.
The Wiki for ZIE = 'The Zope Internet Explorer Editor Project' is http://www.zope.org/Members/johanc/ZIE/wiki/FrontPage
SR == "Smith Ray" <Ray.Smith@fujitsu.com.au> writes:
SR> Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar SR> functionality to what I have quickly described? there aren't any intranet packages per se, but there is a wonderful zope product called worldpilot which you should take a look at. its available at http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/ it has a very nice web based mail client / calendar / todo / address book features. that fulfils half of your requirements in an intranet. for the other half, go out and create something based on other zope tools, e.g. zwiki / squishdot / ptk the drawback is in integrating worldpilot with whatever you create. the code is definitely not the most manageable, however, the source is there - so you can do whatever you want :) SR> If I had to build something like this myself would SR> Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would SR> be since I'm on a Zope list!) zope is without doubt one of the best ways to do this. most important for me is the ability to extend the product in a rapid and easy manner at esp (company i work for), we desperately looked around for good intranet solutions and ended up making our own 'xnet' product based on zope. it does pretty much anything you would want from an intranet, and using zope was definitely the best decision we made about it. i would offer you this product, however, its been made primarily for internal use, but with a few days work, i guess it could be be made non-esp centric. pop onto irc (irc.espnow.com / #esp) if you want to talk about it. SR> How long (rough estimate) would something like SR> this take to develop for a Zope newbie? if you dedicate yourself to this, then about two months. zope has a steep learning curve. but once you get to a certain level, everything becomes much clearer... that is, until you want to rise to the next level of zope meisters -- best regards, tav tav@espnow.com
I'd personally stay from Worldpilot since AFIAK its not open source. -- Andy McKay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tav" <tavlists@espnow.com> To: <zope@zope.org>; "Smith Ray" <Ray.Smith@fujitsu.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] [Newbie] Can Zope ...
SR == "Smith Ray" <Ray.Smith@fujitsu.com.au> writes:
SR> Are there any "Intranet" type packages which have similar SR> functionality to what I have quickly described?
there aren't any intranet packages per se, but there is a wonderful zope product called worldpilot which you should take a look at. its available at http://demo.worldpilot.com:8080/site/
it has a very nice web based mail client / calendar / todo / address book features. that fulfils half of your requirements in an intranet. for the other half, go out and create something based on other zope tools, e.g. zwiki / squishdot / ptk
the drawback is in integrating worldpilot with whatever you create. the code is definitely not the most manageable, however, the source is there - so you can do whatever you want :)
SR> If I had to build something like this myself would SR> Zope be the tool of choice? (I'm assuming it would SR> be since I'm on a Zope list!)
zope is without doubt one of the best ways to do this. most important for me is the ability to extend the product in a rapid and easy manner
at esp (company i work for), we desperately looked around for good intranet solutions and ended up making our own 'xnet' product based on zope. it does pretty much anything you would want from an intranet, and using zope was definitely the best decision we made about it.
i would offer you this product, however, its been made primarily for internal use, but with a few days work, i guess it could be be made non-esp centric. pop onto irc (irc.espnow.com / #esp) if you want to talk about it.
SR> How long (rough estimate) would something like SR> this take to develop for a Zope newbie?
if you dedicate yourself to this, then about two months. zope has a steep learning curve. but once you get to a certain level, everything becomes much clearer... that is, until you want to rise to the next level of zope meisters
-- best regards, tav tav@espnow.com
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I'd personally stay from Worldpilot since AFIAK its not open source. -- Andy McKay.
From their website:
What's worldpilot's licence? Worldpilot is open source. It's licence WPL (Worldpilot Public Licence) is identical to the ZPL (Zope Public Licence). Please read it here.
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