Thanks Chris, I meant to follow up to Heimo's post as well. I went looking through the supplied links, and clearly a good bit of time was spent thinking about how to improve things. Anybody that puts in that amount of work deserves credit, so thanks Heimo! FWIW, this page: http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZOST/ZopeOrgReorg/DocumentationSection ...describes some of the thoughts collected on the zope-web mailing list. I plan to use this as a guide for getting the basics in place for a nzo (new.zope.org) milestone. Heimo, we could *definately* use you on the new.zope.org project. All you have to do is subscribe to the zope-web mailing list. nzo will be organized around a more formal idea of sections and section owners. Documentation is the section that will get the top priority attention. I'll repeat the call: if you fit the following profile: a. You think zope.org should do a better job of attracting people to Zope and serving existing zopistas. b. You're willing to devote hours working to make it happen. c. You have skills in writing/editing, html design, zope programming, or even system administration. ...then PLEASE come join us. Subscribe to zope-web and bug me for some tasks. I hope to have a Milestone One put together for review by this mailing list, and I hope to make it happen this month. But even the basics take hours. "We need you. Won't you take the time, to give just a little?" (Americans will note the Sally Struthers tone with starving children fading onto the screen.) --Paul Chris McDonough wrote:

Thanks for writing this Heimo.. it's great to see folks taking an interest in docs. I am supposed to get new.zope.org online soon, and maybe we can try to fold some of these ideas in.

- C

Heimo Laukkanen wrote:

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Hi all again,

from the last posts I have been really busy working, but now I spent a small event of time writing some content to the wikis about the documenttation. I will continue but please contribute and let's discuss what kind of things we would need to work on as a community.

Log into the zope.org and then go to page:

http://www.zope.org/Wikis/Docs/DocumentationBrainstorm

Besides the raw ideas, you could also try to write stories about the perfect world from the perspective of different users. This is a great way to actually get information about what would the experience of the user learning to use Zope would need to be:

http://www.zope.org/Wikis/Docs/UtopiaVision

It is in the beginning stage, but please - contribute.

And please also note the information that is already present:

http://www.zope.org/Wikis/Docs/FrontPage

-huima

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Paul Everitt wrote:

"We need you. Won't you take the time, to give just a little?" (Americans will note the Sally Struthers tone with starving children fading onto the screen.)

Can Guido's Time Machine be adapted to fit more hours in the day? If so, I'd _love_ to help :-) cheers, Chris