Howdy folks. Just a heads up on some changes about to land on the zope.org server. Jim Fulton and Shane Hathaway have wrapped up a first cut at "mountable databases". We're using it to prune in a Data.fs that won't get packed, to preserve history information in a Wiki. (Many of you will note that this is a feature that's been long, long asked for.) This might involve a little downtime. We're certainly breaking our rule of "Don't screw with Zope.org on Friday afternoons", but Jim promises that nothing bad will happen. If you notice any burps this afternoon...don't email us, we're aware of it. If after 7PM EDT today you notice burps...email webmaster@zope.org. One other note. We'll probably be putting ZEO in place on Zope.org next week. It's doing pretty well in the alpha testing. If it survives Zope.org, we'll be in good shape for releasing it. --Paul Paul Everitt Digital Creations paul@digicool.com 540.371.6909 ----------------------------------------- The Open Source Zope application server http://www.zope.org/ -----------------------------------------
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One other note. We'll probably be putting ZEO in place on Zope.org next week. It's doing pretty well in the alpha testing. If it survives Zope.org, we'll be in good shape for releasing it.
--Paul
Just wondering if Zope.org is an appropriate site for alpha testing software when it should be show casing Zope technology. One gets a bad impression when visiting the site of a web server company to find the web server down :-( - -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Zope and Interbase -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOSTtcrTRdIWzaLpMEQLPOQCgkdPbtJZ2HUUfgKlvEvrsb+8AY04AnjuY zD7CaISKQvHWyaPQOz9Z57B2 =H6zz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Just wondering if Zope.org is an appropriate site for alpha testing software when it should be show casing Zope technology. One gets a bad impression when visiting the site of a web server company to find the web server down :-(
Ever been to Dell.com? Dell, as you know is one of the biggest users of Windows 2000 and MSQL 7.0 for their website. They have tens if not hundreds of servers. On several occasions, while surfing around the support site looking to fix one Dell problem the site starts giving ODBC SQL error after error. Everything just stops working (IE 5.0 on NT 4.0 SP6a). This is at least three times in the last month. Bank of America, the second largest bank in the country (and my bank) has been known to go down for a whole weekend on a few occasions with nothing more than a splash page to say "tough." Wouldn't you assume that with millions of dollars in hardware/software and hundreds of developers they could keep a website up? Nope. Zope.org, as you might not know is run on a machine that costs under $1,200 and has a better uptime than both the above examples. Lets cut DC a little slack on this one and realize that when you are running on one machine, you do have to bring things down once in awhile. DC also walks the walk. They use, love, embrace, support and pound on Zope. Bringing Zope to ZEO is a great idea and we should have it no other way. At least they are not Hotmail (owned by MS) and running on FreeBSD! J
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Just wondering if Zope.org is an appropriate site for alpha testing software when it should be show casing Zope technology. One gets a bad impression when visiting the site of a web server company to find the web server down :-(
Ever been to Dell.com? Dell, as you know is one of the biggest users of Windows 2000 and MSQL 7.0 for their website. They have tens if not hundreds of servers.
On several occasions, while surfing around the support site looking to fix one Dell problem the site starts giving ODBC SQL error after error. Everything just stops working (IE 5.0 on NT 4.0 SP6a). This is at least three times in the last month.
But they're not promoting a web server technology.
Bank of America, the second largest bank in the country (and my bank) has been known to go down for a whole weekend on a few occasions with nothing more than a splash page to say "tough."
Likewise.
Wouldn't you assume that with millions of dollars in hardware/software and hundreds of developers they could keep a website up? Nope.
I think there are different scales of activity here. Can we compare them with a Zope site that is under a similar load, and has a similar level of complexity?
Zope.org, as you might not know is run on a machine that costs under $1,200 and has a better uptime than both the above examples. Lets cut DC a little slack on this one and realize that when you are running on one machine, you do have to bring things down once in awhile.
Yes, for maintenance. I was just wondering whether it should be allowed to happen because of alpha testing.
DC also walks the walk. They use, love, embrace, support and pound on Zope. Bringing Zope to ZEO is a great idea and we should have it no other way. At least they are not Hotmail (owned by MS) and running on FreeBSD!
I believe that that remains a constant source of embarrassment to MS. - -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Zope and Interbase on a machine that cost under $1,200 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOST70LTRdIWzaLpMEQKaCACffQJgY0ohhZa0k1HgPDEepQTzGQoAoIng 9puQ8GinJMZSHG2KpW8LdDm2 =SDQN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
(not trying to flame this, just open discussion.. or slow Friday.. either way!)
But they're not promoting a web server technology.
Actually Dell is.... They are selling servers with NT 2000 and promoting "uptime" for the all of them.
Likewise.
BOA is promoting a 24/7 banking solution. Neither 24 nor 7.
I think there are different scales of activity here. Can we compare them with a Zope site that is under a similar load, and has a similar level of complexity?
Absolutely different scales. We have two Billion dollar companies promoting services that they cannot offer 24/7 against DC and one webserver serving up millions of hits a month to thousands of very ACTIVE users.
Yes, for maintenance. I was just wondering whether it should be allowed to happen because of alpha testing.
Actually the downtime this afternoon is not Alpha testing. Paul referred to the end of the Alpha of ZEO and about implementing it on Zope.org. ZEO, though, has been around for about a year and is certainly not as Alpha as some "alphas."
I believe that that remains a constant source of embarrassment to MS.
Yup.. and a constant source of amusement for me! :) J
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(not trying to flame this, just open discussion.. or slow Friday.. either way!)
But they're not promoting a web server technology.
Actually Dell is.... They are selling servers with NT 2000 and promoting "uptime" for the all of them.
I betcha the server is up, and just the MS software is down. - -- Regards, Graham Chiu gchiu<at>compkarori.co.nz http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php Powered by Zope and Interbase -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBOSU2w7TRdIWzaLpMEQIg6gCguzEhcpqz83fUrLd1Yo1ywizXC/YAnAmd leT3IDb0lVKVUQ0TnjxR5Iud =G4bU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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