Zope Community Awards Results
Are up at http://www.zopezen.org/Members/zopista/1028873559 In brief: Best Product: CMF Best core Zope addition: Page Templates Best Zope book: The Zope Book Best Python book: Learning Python Best community web site: ZopeZen Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer Thanks everyone for taking part. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
andy, on the link you provide you mused about the relative lack of response. here's the reason why i did not vote: when i went to the voting page it was openly accessible to anonymous users. i filled it in but only after submitting it was i told that i need a membership. that ticked me off sufficiently to abandon the whole thing. next time, please guard the whole voting form from anonymous (if you still insist on zopezen membership as a precondition, that is). if the membership requirement had been more clear i might even have joined. i found that membership requirement a little nonsensical given how your goal was to attract a lot of people to vote. having more site members is great, but if you end up having people create accounts they will never use again just because they have to in order to vote then you probably agree that you overshot on your other goal of increasing site membership ;) jens On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 02:18 , Zopista wrote:
Are up at http://www.zopezen.org/Members/zopista/1028873559
In brief:
Best Product: CMF Best core Zope addition: Page Templates Best Zope book: The Zope Book Best Python book: Learning Python Best community web site: ZopeZen Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer
Thanks everyone for taking part. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
It did actually say you had to be logged in to vote on the front page, just not in big clear letters it seemed. The reason for restricting membership is that last time I didnt a whole bunch of people voted lots of times and pushed up numbers for their results. I had to spend a lot of time rummaging through logs finding similar IP addresses and removing those votes. Anonymous voting cannot be trusted, which is a big shame. That was the one and only reason for membership. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens@zope.com> To: "Zopista" <zopista@zopezen.org> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Community Awards Results
andy,
on the link you provide you mused about the relative lack of response. here's the reason why i did not vote:
when i went to the voting page it was openly accessible to anonymous users. i filled it in but only after submitting it was i told that i need a membership. that ticked me off sufficiently to abandon the whole thing.
next time, please guard the whole voting form from anonymous (if you still insist on zopezen membership as a precondition, that is). if the membership requirement had been more clear i might even have joined.
i found that membership requirement a little nonsensical given how your goal was to attract a lot of people to vote. having more site members is great, but if you end up having people create accounts they will never use again just because they have to in order to vote then you probably agree that you overshot on your other goal of increasing site membership ;)
jens
On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 02:18 , Zopista wrote:
Are up at http://www.zopezen.org/Members/zopista/1028873559
In brief:
Best Product: CMF Best core Zope addition: Page Templates Best Zope book: The Zope Book Best Python book: Learning Python Best community web site: ZopeZen Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer
Thanks everyone for taking part. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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you're correct that anonymous voting can never be trusted. that's why any product that implements this kind of polling should have mechanisms to detect and prevent ballot stuffing by itself. there's several ways to do it, like with cookies, or storing IPs, etc jens On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 11:57 , Andy McKay wrote:
It did actually say you had to be logged in to vote on the front page, just not in big clear letters it seemed. The reason for restricting membership is that last time I didnt a whole bunch of people voted lots of times and pushed up numbers for their results. I had to spend a lot of time rummaging through logs finding similar IP addresses and removing those votes. Anonymous voting cannot be trusted, which is a big shame.
That was the one and only reason for membership. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Vagelpohl" <jens@zope.com> To: "Zopista" <zopista@zopezen.org> Cc: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Community Awards Results
andy,
on the link you provide you mused about the relative lack of response. here's the reason why i did not vote:
when i went to the voting page it was openly accessible to anonymous users. i filled it in but only after submitting it was i told that i need a membership. that ticked me off sufficiently to abandon the whole thing.
next time, please guard the whole voting form from anonymous (if you still insist on zopezen membership as a precondition, that is). if the membership requirement had been more clear i might even have joined.
i found that membership requirement a little nonsensical given how your goal was to attract a lot of people to vote. having more site members is great, but if you end up having people create accounts they will never use again just because they have to in order to vote then you probably agree that you overshot on your other goal of increasing site membership ;)
jens
On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 02:18 , Zopista wrote:
Are up at http://www.zopezen.org/Members/zopista/1028873559
In brief:
Best Product: CMF Best core Zope addition: Page Templates Best Zope book: The Zope Book Best Python book: Learning Python Best community web site: ZopeZen Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer
Thanks everyone for taking part. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 01:14:24PM -0400, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
you're correct that anonymous voting can never be trusted. that's why any product that implements this kind of polling should have mechanisms to detect and prevent ballot stuffing by itself. there's several ways to do it, like with cookies, or storing IPs, etc
jens
How can storing IPs work? I dial up and have a different IP each time. Someone who uses several machines will have several IP's. Kind of curious because I'm working on a polling product right now. Currently I only plan to use it with people identified by email address and a magic credential I mail out. I changed the subject since I'm wandering from the original topic.
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 12:14:49PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 01:14:24PM -0400, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
you're correct that anonymous voting can never be trusted. that's why any product that implements this kind of polling should have mechanisms to detect and prevent ballot stuffing by itself. there's several ways to do it, like with cookies, or storing IPs, etc
How can storing IPs work? I dial up and have a different IP each time. Someone who uses several machines will have several IP's.
Add to this the problem of persons who work from behind a proxy. All outbound traffic from our entire organization appears to originate from the same IP address. We could have severe vote disenfranchisement here! :-) -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.com W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | <dtml-var pithy_quote> | http://linux.com
this is intended for abusers who... - submit the form over and over using their browsers or, much worse - script the form submission and pound your site with some script if people are so persistent about voting again that they would disconnect their internet connection and dial up again just to vote again, well, that just sucks... ;) jens On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 03:14 , Ross Boylan wrote:
On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 01:14:24PM -0400, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
you're correct that anonymous voting can never be trusted. that's why any product that implements this kind of polling should have mechanisms to detect and prevent ballot stuffing by itself. there's several ways to do it, like with cookies, or storing IPs, etc
jens
How can storing IPs work? I dial up and have a different IP each time. Someone who uses several machines will have several IP's.
Kind of curious because I'm working on a polling product right now. Currently I only plan to use it with people identified by email address and a magic credential I mail out.
I changed the subject since I'm wandering from the original topic.
Congratulations, all! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zopista" <zopista@zopezen.org> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: [Zope] Zope Community Awards Results
Are up at http://www.zopezen.org/Members/zopista/1028873559
In brief:
Best Product: CMF Best core Zope addition: Page Templates Best Zope book: The Zope Book Best Python book: Learning Python Best community web site: ZopeZen Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer
Thanks everyone for taking part. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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(Oh, and thanks, Andy! You da man...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McDonough" <chrism@zope.com> To: "Zopista" <zopista@zopezen.org>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Zope Community Awards Results
Congratulations, all!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Zopista" <zopista@zopezen.org> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: [Zope] Zope Community Awards Results
Are up at http://www.zopezen.org/Members/zopista/1028873559
In brief:
Best Product: CMF Best core Zope addition: Page Templates Best Zope book: The Zope Book Best Python book: Learning Python Best community web site: ZopeZen Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer
Thanks everyone for taking part. -- Andy McKay Agmweb Consulting http://www.agmweb.ca
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Most helpful person: Dieter Maurer Thanks to all voters! Dieter
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