I worked around the problem. No more debian help needed. The unstable debian linux package of zope has problems, and switching to the older 2.6.1-10 cures them...Ihave a quick start page. JG -- John Griessen Cibolo Design Austin Texas EE good at IR systems, power supplies, logic design, A2D D2A, digital amps, mechatronics, SiGe and CMOS layout, MEMS/mech/electronic/photonic modeling, charge pump PV/battery/fuel cell power converters, more...