Can Zope handle multiple markup language?
Hi, I have not used Zope before, but i have heard a lot of new features in Zope such as ZPT Page Templates that address the issues of presentation. My question is - is it easy/fast to use Zope to serve content in MULTIPLE markup language? For e.g. I would like to customise my content (in XML) and deliver it as HTML (for PCs), WML (for WAP phones) and cHTML (for imode phones). Currently i am using XSLT/Java to do so and i was wondering whether Zope could do the same (perhaps in a simpler way?). And if a new markup language appears, will the solution be flexible enough to support it? Thanks in advance. Regards, Firestar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
I set up something a few months ago which sounds very like what you are after. I used Phil Harris' nXMLDocument product. I had my own XML-based page definition language together with a style sheet which could translate to XHTML or whatever, dependent on browser type. My XML was actually the definition of the whole page structure and content, rather than just data but that shouldn't make a difference. The nXMLDoc product does the XSL translation as the page is served. A bit like Cocoon. It worked great. There were a few glitches in setting it up but nothing serious (and I can't recall what they were so thay can't have been anything much). The project got shelved so I never did any performance testing. Otherwise it all did exactly what it said on the tin. ....Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firestar" <theebh@yahoo.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: [Zope] Can Zope handle multiple markup language? : Hi, : : I have not used Zope before, but i have heard a lot of : new features in Zope such as ZPT Page Templates that : address the issues of presentation. My question is - : is it easy/fast to use Zope to serve content in : MULTIPLE markup language? : : For e.g. I would like to customise my content (in XML) : and deliver it as HTML (for PCs), WML (for WAP phones) : and cHTML (for imode phones). Currently i am using : XSLT/Java to do so and i was wondering whether Zope : could do the same (perhaps in a simpler way?). And if : a new markup language appears, will the solution be : flexible enough to support it? : : Thanks in advance. : : Regards, : Firestar : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. : http://personals.yahoo.com : : _______________________________________________ : Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope : ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** : (Related lists - : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) :
Hi Mike, Yup that sounds similar to what I was doing. Using XSLT + XML combo, the work of generating content in various markup language is quite easy. I was wondering whether using ZPT in Zope will be able to achieve the same thing, possibly in a more flexible/efficient/faster way? My opinion is that with the increase in wireless devices and demand for wireless content, a solution that can allow developers to serve content in multiple markup languages quickly will surely be valuable. I'm sure Zope will benefit if this is one area it is moving to (just like how Enhydra promotes their XMLC as a selling point) Regards, Firestar --- Mike Krohn <mike@krohn.org> wrote:
I set up something a few months ago which sounds very like what you are after. I used Phil Harris' nXMLDocument product. I had my own XML-based page definition language together with a style sheet which could translate to XHTML or whatever, dependent on browser type. My XML was actually the definition of the whole page structure and content, rather than just data but that shouldn't make a difference. The nXMLDoc product does the XSL translation as the page is served. A bit like Cocoon.
It worked great. There were a few glitches in setting it up but nothing serious (and I can't recall what they were so thay can't have been anything much). The project got shelved so I never did any performance testing. Otherwise it all did exactly what it said on the tin. ....Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Firestar" <theebh@yahoo.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: [Zope] Can Zope handle multiple markup language?
: Hi, : : I have not used Zope before, but i have heard a lot of : new features in Zope such as ZPT Page Templates that : address the issues of presentation. My question is - : is it easy/fast to use Zope to serve content in : MULTIPLE markup language? : : For e.g. I would like to customise my content (in XML) : and deliver it as HTML (for PCs), WML (for WAP phones) : and cHTML (for imode phones). Currently i am using : XSLT/Java to do so and i was wondering whether Zope : could do the same (perhaps in a simpler way?). And if : a new markup language appears, will the solution be : flexible enough to support it? : : Thanks in advance. : : Regards, : Firestar : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. : http://personals.yahoo.com : : _______________________________________________ : Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope : ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** : (Related lists - : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) :
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A different (and IMO nicer) approach is to use the CMF skins tool to present your content. The CMF separates content, application, and presentation very well, and you get the added benefit of having filesystem-based DTML/zpt/images etc out of the box. We use it to display accessible and printable versions, but it could easily be extended to use any markup you wanted. seb * Firestar <theebh@yahoo.com> [011015 16:13]:
Hi Mike,
Yup that sounds similar to what I was doing. Using XSLT + XML combo, the work of generating content in various markup language is quite easy. I was wondering whether using ZPT in Zope will be able to achieve the same thing, possibly in a more flexible/efficient/faster way?
My opinion is that with the increase in wireless devices and demand for wireless content, a solution that can allow developers to serve content in multiple markup languages quickly will surely be valuable. I'm sure Zope will benefit if this is one area it is moving to (just like how Enhydra promotes their XMLC as a selling point)
Regards, Firestar
--- Mike Krohn <mike@krohn.org> wrote:
I set up something a few months ago which sounds very like what you are after. I used Phil Harris' nXMLDocument product. I had my own XML-based page definition language together with a style sheet which could translate to XHTML or whatever, dependent on browser type. My XML was actually the definition of the whole page structure and content, rather than just data but that shouldn't make a difference. The nXMLDoc product does the XSL translation as the page is served. A bit like Cocoon.
It worked great. There were a few glitches in setting it up but nothing serious (and I can't recall what they were so thay can't have been anything much). The project got shelved so I never did any performance testing. Otherwise it all did exactly what it said on the tin. ....Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Firestar" <theebh@yahoo.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: [Zope] Can Zope handle multiple markup language?
: Hi, : : I have not used Zope before, but i have heard a lot of : new features in Zope such as ZPT Page Templates that : address the issues of presentation. My question is - : is it easy/fast to use Zope to serve content in : MULTIPLE markup language? : : For e.g. I would like to customise my content (in XML) : and deliver it as HTML (for PCs), WML (for WAP phones) : and cHTML (for imode phones). Currently i am using : XSLT/Java to do so and i was wondering whether Zope : could do the same (perhaps in a simpler way?). And if : a new markup language appears, will the solution be : flexible enough to support it? : : Thanks in advance. : : Regards, : Firestar : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. : http://personals.yahoo.com : : _______________________________________________ : Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope : ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** : (Related lists - : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) :
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seb, You assume that everyone will want to use the CMF, as it stands the CMF is a bit limiting for various types of project (mine included). I know you're somewhat of an evangelist, but there are other ways to do the same thing. Phil On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:06:26 +0100 seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com> wrote:
A different (and IMO nicer) approach is to use the CMF skins tool to present your content. The CMF separates content, application, and presentation very well, and you get the added benefit of having filesystem-based DTML/zpt/images etc out of the box.
We use it to display accessible and printable versions, but it could easily be extended to use any markup you wanted.
seb
* Firestar <theebh@yahoo.com> [011015 16:13]:
Hi Mike,
Yup that sounds similar to what I was doing. Using XSLT + XML combo, the work of generating content in various markup language is quite easy. I was wondering whether using ZPT in Zope will be able to achieve the same thing, possibly in a more flexible/efficient/faster way?
My opinion is that with the increase in wireless devices and demand for wireless content, a solution that can allow developers to serve content in multiple markup languages quickly will surely be valuable. I'm sure Zope will benefit if this is one area it is moving to (just like how Enhydra promotes their XMLC as a selling point)
Regards, Firestar
--- Mike Krohn <mike@krohn.org> wrote:
I set up something a few months ago which sounds very like what you are after. I used Phil Harris' nXMLDocument product. I had my own XML-based page definition language together with a style sheet which could translate to XHTML or whatever, dependent on browser type. My XML was actually the definition of the whole page structure and content, rather than just data but that shouldn't make a difference. The nXMLDoc product does the XSL translation as the page is served. A bit like Cocoon.
It worked great. There were a few glitches in setting it up but nothing serious (and I can't recall what they were so thay can't have been anything much). The project got shelved so I never did any performance testing. Otherwise it all did exactly what it said on the tin. ....Mike
----- Original Message ----- From: "Firestar" <theebh@yahoo.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:05 AM Subject: [Zope] Can Zope handle multiple markup language?
: Hi, : : I have not used Zope before, but i have heard a lot of : new features in Zope such as ZPT Page Templates that : address the issues of presentation. My question is - : is it easy/fast to use Zope to serve content in : MULTIPLE markup language? : : For e.g. I would like to customise my content (in XML) : and deliver it as HTML (for PCs), WML (for WAP phones) : and cHTML (for imode phones). Currently i am using : XSLT/Java to do so and i was wondering whether Zope : could do the same (perhaps in a simpler way?). And if : a new markup language appears, will the solution be : flexible enough to support it? : : Thanks in advance. : : Regards, : Firestar : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. : http://personals.yahoo.com : : _______________________________________________ : Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope : ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** : (Related lists - : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce : http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) :
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Hi Phil, * Phil Harris <phil.harris@zope.co.uk> [011015 16:33]:
You assume that everyone will want to use the CMF, as it stands the CMF is a bit limiting for various types of project (mine included).
I know you're somewhat of an evangelist, but there are other ways to do the same thing.
I'm well aware of its failings, and I know the CMF doesn't suit everyone. However, IMO it does offer a valid solution to a set of presentation problems (Zope-only, skinning framework...), just as XSLT does (standards-based, ..?). I just wanted to throw in another option for Firestar to consider. I'd be interested to know, how is the CMF is limited w.r.t your requirements, and what are the particular strengths of the XSLT (or other) approach? Cheers, seb
seb bacon <seb@jamkit.com> wrote:
A different (and IMO nicer) approach is to use the CMF skins tool to present your content. The CMF separates content, application, and presentation very well, and you get the added benefit of having filesystem-based DTML/zpt/images etc out of the box.
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Yup that sounds similar to what I was doing. Using XSLT + XML combo, the work of generating content in various markup language is quite easy. I was wondering whether using ZPT in Zope will be able to achieve the same thing, possibly in a more flexible/efficient/faster way?
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: Hi, : : I have not used Zope before, but i have heard a lot of : new features in Zope such as ZPT Page Templates that : address the issues of presentation. My question is - : is it easy/fast to use Zope to serve content in : MULTIPLE markup language? : : For e.g. I would like to customise my content (in XML) : and deliver it as HTML (for PCs), WML (for WAP phones) : and cHTML (for imode phones). Currently i am using : XSLT/Java to do so and i was wondering whether Zope : could do the same (perhaps in a simpler way?). And if : a new markup language appears, will the solution be : flexible enough to support it? : : Thanks in advance. : : Regards, : Firestar
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