RE: [Zope] (CMF == ZPT) && (Elvis lives && DTML is dead)
I think by the wording "depreciated" it means that no further development would happen with DTML and it seems as though eventually DTML support would be dropped in favor of having a more efficient TAL syntax. So, is that the case? Is DTML no longer supported? Any plans to drop it from Zope? Thanks, Derek Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Paul Winkler [mailto:pw_lists@slinkp.com] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:32 AM To: Zope Users Subject: Re: [Zope] (CMF == ZPT) && (Elvis lives && DTML is dead) On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:04:14PM -0800, Roger Chrisman wrote:
Hi,
The Zope 'Elvis' Tutorial(1) uses DTML(2). DTML is now deprecated.
That's putting it a bit strongly. Many of us prefer ZPT to DTML for most purposes, but some have the opposite preference. DTML is not deprecated in any official way. however, good point - the tutorial could use an overhaul. Maybe for zope 2.8 or 2.7.1 (it's probably too late to tackle for zope 2.7.0). -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's EXPECTANT CHEESY GIRL! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com) _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 08:23:47AM -0700, Wilson, Derek wrote:
I think by the wording "depreciated" it means that no further development would happen with DTML and it seems as though eventually DTML support would be dropped in favor of having a more efficient TAL syntax. So, is that the case? Is DTML no longer supported? Any plans to drop it from Zope?
There are no such plans. Even Zope 3 will have DTML support. I think this is a FAQ by now. -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's THE SNOT! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
Wilson, Derek wrote at 2003-11-20 08:23 -0700:
... Is DTML no longer supported? Any plans to drop it from Zope?
It is very unlikely that DTML will be dropped from Zope (at least Zope 2). It may fade out in the far future, once there are page template similar languages for CSS, Javascript, Email and SQL generation (you see DTML still has quite wide spread use). Even, when it would be dropped, nobody would prevent you, to install the corresponding modules/packages and continue to use them. What do you mean with "support"? You should not expect major enhancements for DTML (this time is over), at most minor bug fixes. News things, like internationalization support, are integrated in page templates and not DTML. When such issues become relevant for CSS, JavaScript ..., new page template based languages will arrive and fade out DTML more. -- Dieter
Tutorial in The Zope Book The little blue "TOC" square in The Zope Book navigation bar navs to the book's Table Of Contents. Chapter 4, "Installing and Starting Zope," was helpful for the install. Chapter 7, "Using Basic Zope Objects," seems just right for my first steps into Zope and sufficiently Tutorialish to guide me. There also is explained the difference between DTML and ZPT. I will use ZPT and keep my content, presentation, and programatic logic each in its own place separate from each other to keep my sight flexible. My site needs to grow and change in unpredictable directions as my project grows. So flexibility is critical. The "TOC" button in The Zope Book is thing to navigate through The Zope Book with. And that "ON" "OFF" button turns on or off the distracting and mostly irrelevant "comments" in the gray boxes, happily, even if it does not display it's on/off state very accurately. The left hand column of the Zope.org site goes to many interesting places but for me, a beginner, The Zope Book "Table of Contents" is the place to start I think. The Zope Book is here: http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook Thanks for the tips. Roger
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