Re: [Zope] call for a new list -- did we ever come to a conclusion?
"alan runyan" <runyaga@runyaga.com> writes:
attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders.
Personal mails should never be made public, even if they are attacks. That's a very basic rule of netiquette.
We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
You will have to live with such things in every large group of individuals. There is nothing you can do about it. And don't think about a "community of all Zope users". That's far away from reality. With bringing Zope to the masses you get exactly that: masses that see Zope only as a technical vehicle to get their job done. Regards, Frank -- CTO Lightwerk GmbH Email: fte@Lightwerk.com Phone: +49 2434 800781 Fax: +49 2434 800794 An der Kull 11 * 41844 Wegberg * Germany
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:37:51PM +0200, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders.
Personal mails should never be made public, even if they are attacks. That's a very basic rule of netiquette.
We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
You will have to live with such things in every large group of individuals. There is nothing you can do about it.
Agree to both points (no, I was not an attacker, never). Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://www.zope.org/Members/phd/ phd@phd.pp.ru Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
Hi Frank, In article <ufk7xo2c5c.fsf@westkapp.wb.lightwerk.com>, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders.
Personal mails should never be made public, even if they are attacks. That's a very basic rule of netiquette.
If someone has taken a private email address from a public posting and used it to abuse the private individual concerned, they have already put themselves outside the rules - and hence in my view the protection - of "netiquette". In doing so, they are merely hiding behind the "privacy" of email as opposed to a mailing list in order to perpetrate their abuse.
We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
You will have to live with such things in every large group of individuals. There is nothing you can do about it.
I don't accept this kind of behaviour in /any/ group of people. I don't think anybody else should have to either. It upsets me to think that anyone should feel that they have to unsubscribe to avoid abuse, and it diminishes us all to let it happen. However, the judgement must be Andrews in this case. Regards PhilK Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:49 +0100 When your friend speaks his mind you fear not the "nay" in your own mind, nor do you withhold the "ay". And when he is silent your heart ceases not to listen to his heart; - from The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran
Sorry to contradict you, the rules are for everyone. Also for the ones dealing with an offender. When you have been offending traffic rules the last time (parking your car inappropriately maybe) you would have been rather unhappy when you where treated as an outlaw by the rest of the traffic members. This of course assume that you are like me: just barely perfect.. and therefore able to make mistakes Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Kilner" <phil@xfr.co.uk> To: "Frank Tegtmeyer" <fte@lightwerk.com>; <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] call for a new list -- did we ever come to a conclusion?
Hi Frank,
In article <ufk7xo2c5c.fsf@westkapp.wb.lightwerk.com>, Frank Tegtmeyer wrote:
attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders.
Personal mails should never be made public, even if they are attacks. That's a very basic rule of netiquette.
If someone has taken a private email address from a public posting and used it to abuse the private individual concerned, they have already put themselves outside the rules - and hence in my view the protection - of "netiquette". In doing so, they are merely hiding behind the "privacy" of email as opposed to a mailing list in order to perpetrate their abuse.
We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
You will have to live with such things in every large group of individuals. There is nothing you can do about it.
I don't accept this kind of behaviour in /any/ group of people. I don't think anybody else should have to either. It upsets me to think that anyone should feel that they have to unsubscribe to avoid abuse, and it diminishes us all to let it happen.
However, the judgement must be Andrews in this case.
Regards
PhilK
Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:49 +0100
When your friend speaks his mind you fear not the "nay" in your own mind, nor do you withhold the "ay". And when he is silent your heart ceases not to listen to his heart;
- from The Prophet, by Kahlil Gibran
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When you have been offending traffic rules the last time (parking your car inappropriately maybe) you would have been rather unhappy when you where treated as an outlaw by the rest of the traffic members. If you offend traffic rules in a way that actually threatens the existence of the community of traffic members (driving drunk), you will lose your driver license. Abuse in an online community is rather comparable.
Douwe
I second that. I is not forbidden to be a plain stupid asshole. And for good reasons. However it can be a royal pain in the but to be confronted with one. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Tegtmeyer" <fte@lightwerk.com> To: <zope@zope.org> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] call for a new list -- did we ever come to a conclusion?
"alan runyan" <runyaga@runyaga.com> writes:
attacks. I agree w/ webmaven that he should post these emails publicly so we could see the offenders.
Personal mails should never be made public, even if they are attacks. That's a very basic rule of netiquette.
We shoulndt tolerate this in our community.
You will have to live with such things in every large group of individuals. There is nothing you can do about it. And don't think about a "community of all Zope users". That's far away from reality. With bringing Zope to the masses you get exactly that: masses that see Zope only as a technical vehicle to get their job done.
Regards, Frank -- CTO Lightwerk GmbH Email: fte@Lightwerk.com Phone: +49 2434 800781 Fax: +49 2434 800794 An der Kull 11 * 41844 Wegberg * Germany
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Douwe Osinga -
Frank Tegtmeyer -
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Philip Kilner -
Robert Rottermann