Geek Summary: Thru some bizarre alignment of the planets, a large international client of mine has rejected a proposal to migrate it's web-based ISO documentation to Lotus Notes in favor of my Zope alternative even tho a month ago the only option in the running was Notes and none of the people who matter had ever heard of Zope. The current implementation consists of a large number of M$ Office documents being served via NT/IIS4 and maintained with a lot of Python. The forthcoming version will still be mostly Office documents (please don't point out the obvious- there are some good reasons for this) served by windoze2k/Apache, but augmented by Zope and MySQL for managerial and other purposes. But it gets stranger: This good fortune is largely attributable to Evil Bill and the passions that M$ arouses. It seems that at the corporate level, there was a tussle about whether a proposed enterprise resource portal would be based on Lotus Notes or on M$ SharePoint- this is still in the "great idea" stage and goes well beyond the scope of the ISO documentation intranet site. Since my scheme has most of the content remaining in the file system, I was able to tell them that it was obviously consistent with a SharePoint portal that could otherwise be ignored, while it was by no means clear that the Notes solution would allow for this because of some security constraints that never made much sense anyway. The Point: I am recounting this episode to give some encouragement to those many of you who daily fend off suggestions that whatever you are doing would be a lot better if you would just use some proprietary piece of crap in lieu of Zope. Occasionally, you don't have to sell Zope so much as make sure that the factions in favor of other approaches exhaust themselves fighting with one another, so you win by default (especially if you can claim to be M$ tolerant to boot). Given the context and history of this situation, it's also further proof that Chaos Theory is not just theory. So now I know that there will be ample Guinness on the table for many months to come and I have Zope, Python, and the wonders of corporate politics to thank for it. Richard Gordon -------------------- Gordon Design Web Design/Database Development http://www.richardgordon.net