Requirement for 2.0
Hi, I have been using Zope in a small scale within my organization for since things went opensource and I really like the tool, and the ease in which I can manage content. However, I would like to state that for the user base to expand significantly 2.0 needs to be very easy to install on a hosted website (http://www.hiway.com/) . This is where most of the new sites are coming from (check out the information from www.netcraft.com) People with hosted accounts have apache and cgi and want a trivial way to set up and get content online (Frontpage does a good job here). Please consider this a *massive* potential audience for this tool and build simple configuration scripts, yada, yada, that make this a trivial task. Comments? Mark Interrante
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:56:05 -0700, interrante@yahoo.com said: interrante> However, I would like to state that for the user base to interrante> expand significantly 2.0 needs to be very easy to install on interrante> a hosted website (http://www.hiway.com/) . This is where interrante> most of the new sites are coming from (check out the interrante> information from www.netcraft.com) People with hosted interrante> accounts have apache and cgi and want a trivial way to set interrante> up and get content online (Frontpage does a good job here). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Have to disagree here. Having worked at an ISP for the past 3 years I can tell you that that MS Frontpage Extensions are a huge pain to install and support. A real mess. For the idiot proofing the user gets, the ISP has to bend over backwards. interrante> Please consider this a *massive* potential audience for this interrante> tool and build simple configuration scripts, yada, yada, interrante> that make this a trivial task. Comments? I know that CodeIt and some of the other ISPs who are doing Zope hosting are actively working on implementation issues wrt hosting multiple Zope accounts. But, I do think the Zope install docs should specifically address the situation where someone wants to run zope and all they have is a user level shell account w/ CGI access and don't know where to begin. Alex Rice | alrice@swcp.com | http://www.swcp.com/~alrice Current Location: N. Rio Grande Bioregion, Southwestern USA
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Alex Rice wrote: ...
Have to disagree here. Having worked at an ISP for the past 3 years I can tell you that that MS Frontpage Extensions are a huge pain to install and support. A real mess. For the idiot proofing the user gets, the ISP has to bend over backwards.
Amen
interrante> Please consider this a *massive* potential audience for this interrante> tool and build simple configuration scripts, yada, yada, interrante> that make this a trivial task. Comments?
I know that CodeIt and some of the other ISPs who are doing Zope hosting are actively working on implementation issues wrt hosting multiple Zope accounts.
But, I do think the Zope install docs should specifically address the situation where someone wants to run zope and all they have is a user level shell account w/ CGI access and don't know where to begin.
This is a rather tricky issue. Anyway you slice it the provider needs to have knowledge of Zope because: 1. You usally have to tweak the server in someway in order to get it to pass authentication information. For example you need to add a rewrite rule for apache, patch Netscape(?), do god knows what with IIS etc... 2. Not to mention some ISPs either do not allow you to have long running processes running or do not allow shell access. I think the first issue could be cleared up with some sort of session/token based authentication, which has been discussed before on the list, but the second issue is all politics. --------------------------------------------------- - Scott Robertson Phone: 714.972.2299 - - CodeIt Computing Fax: 714.972.2399 - - http://codeit.com - ---------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 interrante@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi,
However, I would like to state that for the user base to expand significantly 2.0 needs to be very easy to install on a hosted website (http://www.hiway.com/) . This is where most of the new sites are coming from (check out the information from www.netcraft.com) People with hosted accounts have apache and cgi and want a trivial way to set up and get content online (Frontpage does a good job here). Please consider this a *massive* potential audience for this tool and build simple configuration scripts, yada, yada, that make this a trivial task. Comments?
I agree! My "vision" for Zope is cross-platform "plug 'n 'play" binaries which can snap into place and work. This also means a universal make / build system and distrib generator (self-installing binaires for Windows, tgz+sh scripts for unix). It also means an _easy_ way to compile / install extensions such as the PiL. Finally, it means reverse-engineering Office 2000's web extensions and putting them into Zope! Cheers, Anthony Pfrunder
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