Hello: I've been given the task of exploring the use of Zope for a department that we support. I have just been going through some of the manuals and online documentation. The creation of pages seems very basic and understandable from my viewpoint. However, the material I have found doesn't seem to address the use of Zope by non-HTML/basic scripting literate people (or at least how to develope a framework for non-web literate people to use). The department that we have in mind couldn't tell a <p> tag from an <ol> tag. They have only ever used a WYSIWYG interface. My question is, does anyone know where I can find information or a "tutorial" on how to create a framework like this? So that your average secretary can just update the actual text of the page much like in a WYSIWYG editor fashion? Or are we better suited by a different product? Thank you! Jenny --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Jen wrote:
Hello:
I've been given the task of exploring the use of Zope for a department that we support. I have just been going through some of the manuals and online documentation. The creation of pages seems very basic and understandable from my viewpoint. However, the material I have found doesn't seem to address the use of Zope by non-HTML/basic scripting literate people (or at least how to develope a framework for non-web literate people to use). The department that we have in mind couldn't tell a <p> tag from an <ol> tag. They have only ever used a WYSIWYG interface. My question is, does anyone know where I can find information or a "tutorial" on how to create a framework like this? So that your average secretary can just update the actual text of the page much like in a WYSIWYG editor fashion? Or are we better suited by a different product?
Two different scenarios: * Zope can upload/download document via WebDAV and FTP, and there are free add-ins that will let someone design a web page in FrontPage or DreamWeaver, and once it's added (via these program's FTP/WebDav interface), sets it up correctly. or * Zope can use "structured-text", which is a way for non-HTML-designers to make simple pages. They don't have to know anything about HTML to do so. You can't design a complicated web page w/lots of formatting, images, etc. w/structured text, but it's perfect for users to enter descriptions, biographies, etc., while still getting to bold text, italicize text, make lists, etc.
Thank you!
Jenny
You're welcome. Have a nice evaluation. Zope is very very sweet. -- Joel Burton <jburton@scw.org> Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington
I've been given the task of exploring the use of Zope for a department that we support. I have just been going through some of the manuals and online documentation. The creation of pages seems very basic and understandable from my viewpoint. However, the material I have found doesn't seem to address the use of Zope by non-HTML/basic scripting literate people (or at least how to develope a framework for non-web literate people to use). The department that we have in mind couldn't tell a <p> tag from an <ol> tag. They have only ever used a WYSIWYG interface. My question is, does anyone know where I can find information or a "tutorial" on how to create a framework like this? So that your average secretary can just update the actual text of the page much like in a WYSIWYG editor fashion? Or are we better suited by a different product?
A suitable solution might be to use Zope together with ZopePageTemplates (see http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Articles/ZPT1 for an introduction). ZPT have the advantage that Zope specific stuff is "hidden" in additional attributes inside the HTML tags and HTML editors usually don't care about them and non-technical people like layouters can work on the pages without seeing the additional stuff. E.g. Adobe GoLive works pretty fine with Zope and ZPT. Andreas
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Andreas Jung wrote:
I've been given the task of exploring the use of Zope for a department that we support. I have just been going through some of the manuals and online documentation. The creation of pages seems very basic and understandable from my viewpoint. However, the material I have found doesn't seem to address the use of Zope by non-HTML/basic scripting literate people (or at least how to develope a framework for non-web literate people to use). The department that we have in mind couldn't tell a <p> tag from an <ol> tag. They have only ever used a WYSIWYG interface. My question is, does anyone know where I can find information or a "tutorial" on how to create a framework like this? So that your average secretary can just update the actual text of the page much like in a WYSIWYG editor fashion? Or are we better suited by a different product?
A suitable solution might be to use Zope together with ZopePageTemplates (see http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Articles/ZPT1 for an introduction). ZPT have the advantage that Zope specific stuff is "hidden" in additional attributes inside the HTML tags and HTML editors usually don't care about them and non-technical people like layouters can work on the pages without seeing the additional stuff. E.g. Adobe GoLive works pretty fine with Zope and ZPT.
For some people on the list, some background might help: You don't have to use ZPT (a fairly new Zope technology) to get Dreamweaver-designed pages on the web. Just use regular ol' HTML and things work peachy. However, often you want to mix someone else's design with some server logic. Like a page that lists all the shoes you sell: it would have some graphics at the top, a description about your shoe company, and a list of your shoes. In most systems, getting Dreamweaver to not step on your magical server-specific tags isn't too hard. However, getting it so that your page layout designer can actually design the table while still having it come dyanamically is tricky. ZPT allows you to use 100% pure HTML, while still getting access to Zope's dynamic server stuff. Pure 110% roundtrip stuff. Really neat. However, if you want people to design pretty, static pages for a site, you won't need ZPT. -- Joel Burton <jburton@scw.org> Director of Information Systems, Support Center of Washington
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