------Original Message------ From: "J. Atwood" <jatwood@bwanazulia.com> To: Firestar <theebh@mail.com> Sent: July 7, 2000 10:34:45 AM GMT Subject: Re: [Zope] Is Zope slow?

I have a lot of time and exposure to Tomcat so it made it easy for me to run those tests (BTW, now in production, on the same machine Zope is about 3 times faster!) but none really with PHP or Mason. In the end of the day, though, as most of the people have been saying on this list, you really shouldn't be focusing on comparing the raw speed of two totally different applications with different feature sets. I would challenge you to find something as powerful /useful / extendable as Zope written in any language and if you did, we could run those benchmarks.

Well, i do agree that Zope seems to offer more features (from the case studies, and this mailing list i have read so far). I have played with PHP in my previous project, programming by using classes(object-oriented), though OOP support in PHP is not extensive yet. So far the codes are still maintainable, but a lot of things i have to "mix-and-match" myself if i want to include features like authentication/session tracking, templates, etc. That's why i'm looking at Zope for the possibility of a better solution.

What I *would* suggest focusing on is can Zope provide you with the right amount of features and functionality and can you scale it? So, and god willing, your site that you build in Zope goes from 0-1,000,000 hits a day, can you handle it? The answer is yes (a mix of Pentium, 256 MB Ram and fast drives with Linux will do that). What about if you double that or go to 10,000,000 a day? Well, that is where ZEO and load balancing will come in. I can personally tell you that you could set up four Pentium 300 MHz Zope installations running a ZEO instance behind a load balance (not nearly are complicated as it seems) and you would be able to handle most of your Yahoo dreams.

Well, i don't think my site will ever get that much hits:) Anyway, i check out Digicool website on this ZEO thing, and it seems that they charge abt $25,000 for this product alone(+consulting)? Not to belittle their effort, but that's a huge amount of money, considering that everything nowadays is "open-source":). Or did i interpret it wrongly? TIA. regards, firestar ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup