Ok, I've updated the package to remove the bug that killed it after the first shutdown/cache loss. The _v_ technique certainly served to prevent the saving of the variable, so when the system came back up, before I use the _v_ variable I was testing it to make sure it was higher than the stored value. I added a test to make certain that it exists... Is there a way to register a function (or some __func__) that gets called the the instance is reloaded? It seems fairly stable now, so I'm calling this 1.0. Please send bug reports to shawh@sths.org. BTW, has anyone actually tested this other than me? I thought from the comments I had read on the list that there were a fair number of people who were perturbed at the lack of a counter in Zope. Was I wrong? Am I flogging a dead horse here? <<Counter1.0.tar>> Howard C. Shaw III Programmer/SysAdmin St. Thomas High School