Hello I am *curious* to hear what you all think about Zope, openSource and credits... Looking throught the list at http://www.zopezen.org/links I was surprisd to see the radio station 1010Wins listed: http://1010wins.com/ which looks like a fast food clone of http://cbsnewyork.com/ But 1010wins.com is very fast and good at what it does. Also a good commercial showcase for Zope in fact. Or would be.. Now www.zope.org is famous for not showing off its own products capabilites http://www.zope.org/Resources/CaseStudies = new form of anti-adverstising but this is ridiculous. 1010wins is not even listed on zope.org. And neither 1010Wins nor CBSNewYork carry even the tiniest Zope logo. In fact if you search for 'zope' on either you'll get this: <quote> Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: TypeError Error Value: expected integer key </quote> oops!! ...go on try it if you want a good laugh :-))) http://1010wins.com/search_results_html?bodyInput=zope http://cbsnewyork.com/search_results_html?bodyInput=zope At __least__ that should return a simple page which says: This site is made with Zope..blahblah Perhaps one could just build that in to ZCatalog as default Ok, so everyone was way too busy keeping the client happy to worrry about such trivia. And it is often easy enough to prove it is a zope site [==> /manage] But is it trivial for Zope to miss this? Surely a minimum reasonable requirement / idea is that real zope sites, especially those used in the commercial or media worlds should carry some kind of logo/Zope_id/promo somewhere, even if not loudly on the home page where screen_estate is at premium? On could try to argue that as in many work for hire situations, the client has no implicit obligation to credit individuals, expecially if the contract says so. But even the movies go to some effort to blip your name up there for couple of seconds at the end. What does Zope stand to gain or lose by not by encouraging some modest mimimum credit inclusive license? How does it affect does DC and this community likewise? Is it tacky/helpful/irrelevant/essential to promote Zope in this fashion? Isn't America already dead from logo-fatigue syndrome? I am not trying to beat up on anyone, and I am truly delighted that DC's priorities are work hard to succeed as a company while feeding a great open source project. Elegant potent engineering arriving soon with good stability, features amd documentation. Yes these do come before hype and promo. But it seems a shame that ther is not a little higher profile material to help everyone get gigs and win arguments for why trust Zope. What do you think? - Jason ___________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
-----Original Message----- From: zope-admin@zope.org [mailto:zope-admin@zope.org]On Behalf Of Jason Cunliffe Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:42 PM To: zope@zope.org Subject: [Zope] creditshard
Hello
I am *curious* to hear what you all think about Zope, openSource and credits...
Surely a minimum reasonable requirement / idea is that real zope sites, especially those used in the commercial or media worlds should carry some kind of logo/Zope_id/promo somewhere, even if not loudly on the home page where screen_estate is at premium?
Number 3 of the ZPL (Zope Public License) under which Zope is released states the following: "Digital Creations requests that attribution be given to Zope in any manner possible. Zope includes a "Powered by Zope" button that is installed by default. While it is not a license violation to remove this button, it is requested that the attribution remain. A significant investment has been put into Zope, and this effort will continue if the Zope community continues to grow. This is one way to assure that growth." My understanding is that it used to be required, but that was a turn off to some, so they "reduced" it to a request. _______________________ Ron Bickers Logic Etc, Inc. rbickers@logicetc.com
Jason, Your timing is pretty ironic. We just found out about that problem a couple hours ago, and put in a patch on their system which avoids the TypeError you refer to below. So you caught this problem in a fairly small time window. Is your timing as good with the stock market? So people can still do the search if they want, but it will no longer be a determining factor as to whether or not the site is using Zope :>) The main point of your message is well taken though. I'm really not at liberty to discuss the 1010wins or cbsnewyork project in any detail...but to kinda reinforce your point, you'll be happy to know that the following stations are also running Zope. www.krockradio.com (...yes of Howard Stearn fame) www.wcbs880.com www.wcbsfm.com www.wfan.com Regards, Tony tony@digicool.com Digital Creations http://www.digicool.com http://www.zope.org
Looking throught the list at http://www.zopezen.org/links I was surprisd to see the radio station 1010Wins listed:
But 1010wins.com is very fast and good at what it does. Also a good commercial showcase for Zope in fact. Or would be.. Now www.zope.org is famous for not showing off its own products capabilites http://www.zope.org/Resources/CaseStudies = new form of anti-adverstising but this is ridiculous. 1010wins is not even listed on zope.org.
And neither 1010Wins nor CBSNewYork carry even the tiniest Zope logo. In fact if you search for 'zope' on either you'll get this:
<quote> Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
Error Type: TypeError Error Value: expected integer key </quote>
oops!! ...go on try it if you want a good laugh :-))) http://1010wins.com/search_results_html?bodyInput=zope http://cbsnewyork.com/search_results_html?bodyInput=zope
At __least__ that should return a simple page which says: This site is made with Zope..blahblah
Perhaps one could just build that in to ZCatalog as default
Ok, so everyone was way too busy keeping the client happy to worrry about such trivia. And it is often easy enough to prove it is a zope site [==> /manage] But is it trivial for Zope to miss this?
Surely a minimum reasonable requirement / idea is that real zope sites, especially those used in the commercial or media worlds should carry some kind of logo/Zope_id/promo somewhere, even if not loudly on the home page where screen_estate is at premium?
On could try to argue that as in many work for hire situations, the client has no implicit obligation to credit individuals, expecially if the contract says so. But even the movies go to some effort to blip your name up there for couple of seconds at the end.
What does Zope stand to gain or lose by not by encouraging some modest mimimum credit inclusive license? How does it affect does DC and this community likewise?
Is it tacky/helpful/irrelevant/essential to promote Zope in this fashion? Isn't America already dead from logo-fatigue syndrome?
I am not trying to beat up on anyone, and I am truly delighted that DC's priorities are work hard to succeed as a company while feeding a great open source project. Elegant potent engineering arriving soon with good stability, features amd documentation. Yes these do come before hype and promo. But it seems a shame that ther is not a little higher profile material to help everyone get gigs and win arguments for why trust Zope.
What do you think? - Jason ___________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Rutherford" <tony@digicool.com>
Your timing is pretty ironic. We just found out about that problem a couple hours ago, and put in a patch on their system which avoids the TypeError you refer to below. So you caught this problem in a fairly
small
time window. Is your timing as good with the stock market? So people can still do the search if they want, but it will no longer be a determining factor as to whether or not the site is using Zope :>)
Yes Happens to me a lot in life. Never tried the stock market though.
The main point of your message is well taken though. I'm really not
at
liberty to discuss the 1010wins or cbsnewyork project in any detail...but to kinda reinforce your point, you'll be happy to know that the following stations are also running Zope.
www.krockradio.com (...yes of Howard Stearn fame) www.wcbs880.com www.wcbsfm.com www.wfan.com
Congratulations! I see the [z]pattern +The plot thickens..Seriously this _is_ good news. But why keep so quiet about, or did I miss something? Nice to know DC is really following up on its pronounced Digital Publishing strategem. Shame actually that this item did not enter the recent, rabid, e-commerce openEarsDigitaPostGreSQL listwars. Online radio sites makes alot more sense to me than 95% of edotcom ideas. I hope that soon someone will write up these projects in a decent and deserving way that will help everyone working with zope, or cnosiderin doing so, to gain some validated insight into topics which imo don't get discussed enough: Planning, design development workflow etc.. How the clients are getting along with the tools developed? Are they paying other people to do the mainatenance? Are they doing it themsleves.. If so how adn what? What knid of features do they have to automate content management etc.. What was it like convincing them to go with Zope? .. easy runoff from the initial cbs 1010 ?? Not looking fot marketspeak | hype - just some hansds-on insights about daily use. What is the configuration: ZEO Apache Database ... size of Data.fs Hits..? Or is Zope [best kept] secret weapon after all - like when some Production Houses were using hidden Amiga Video Toasters for work but neglected to tell their clients [..ahem] how incredibly cheap/productive that platform could be[1991-93]? best wishes and keep 'em coming ! - Jason ___________________________________________________________ Jason CUNLIFFE = NOMADICS['Interactive Art and Technology']
Looking throught the list at http://www.zopezen.org/links I was surprisd to see the radio station 1010Wins listed:
Yes that list is getting rather long now...
Ok, so everyone was way too busy keeping the client happy to worrry about such trivia. And it is often easy enough to prove it is a zope site [==> /manage]
Try: http://www.zope.org/manage_copyright ... actually I wouldn't mind turning that off but I'll live. -- Zopista
Try: http://www.zope.org/manage_copyright ... actually I wouldn't mind turning that off but I'll live.
Apparently Phillip Ebby is so cool he gets thanked twice.
Try: http://www.zope.org/manage_copyright ... actually I wouldn't mind turning that off but I'll live.
Apparently Phillip Ebby is so cool he gets thanked twice.
I think he's up at the Jim Fulton level on the exploding head scale :-) (see the quote on zopezen.org about when Jim says waaagh..) *grinz* Chris
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